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Originally Posted by Wagner
I thought we were discussing overall product, and that includes costs. You found one Cadillac that cost over 80K, still far below the price of a M5/6. The point has been made, in opinion the BMW could be considered a better overall car as long as you didn't mind the 20-30% higher cost. G's point is the senseless "this must be a lesser vehicle" attitude instead of a more open minded, "..all that for $50K??"
You could make the same argument in favor of a Hyundai Genesis 
IMO and my experience with BMW from the multitude I've had, they build very good overall packages, their electronics suck and will never be as good as a Japanese ride, their price is far higher then any US and standard model Asian rides. Their competition is MB and Audi, and that is who they were focusing on. BMW IMO now looks very hard at competition from Acura/Lexus when deciding a new line-up. What does that say? Have I had better, cheaper cars then BMW? IMO yes, my 350Z hands down was nicer then my E46 M3 IMO..handled better by far and after $1,500 in mods it put down better power numbers (still only costing me a total under $30,000). My 996, while cool and fun, couldn't hold a candle to the 350Z for what I wanted. My 5 and 6 had more electrical and configuration issues then I'd ever seen on a BMW. So.....does BMW build a superior car? Probably, when it actually does everything it was designed to do. Does the Roundel on the hood automatically make it superior to "lesser" models? Not in my opinion. Is cost a factor in comparing the vehicles? Most definitely. You can't over look it and if you can, you should be giving more to charity |
I hear you Wagner, but the CTS-V is probably going to land just a few grand shy of an M3 sedan. We are most likely not talking tens of thousands of dollars or 20%-30% more. M5/M6's are way out of the CTS-V's league and really aren't even comparable.
I also agree that the 350Z is a great car and value. However, my money would go to the M3. The interior of the 350Z is a big turn off and I also prefer the exterior styling of the M3 just a little better, but the 350Z is a great car. I really like the current body style.