Honda's cars aren't what they used to be. The chassis' and engines still have a ton of r&d in them, but both are now extremely watered down (by marketing dept?); almost like they're holding back. Every CEO in the history of the company has come from R&D if that tells you anything. The regulars here know I'm a Honda guy to the core.. but there isn't a single one I'd own past 2003 model-year other than the S2k (and motorcycles).