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Originally Posted by B-Line
Jig, I would like to directly answer and counter-point some of your questions and statements.
-I just think it's kind of strange,that Israel is founded on a part of land that has all the water, and privilages, and Palestinians on the other hand have limited access to water.
Water is now and has long been an issue. It's not just an Israeli/Palestinian conflict but also involves Jordan..
-If you look at the historical maps, you will actually see that the state of palestine existed way before WW2
You are confused because of the term PALESTINE. THe land of Israel used to be under the Ottoman Empire. After that it became part of the British territories. The area was called "PALESTINE" but there was no state. Furthermore, Christians , Jews and Muslims all lived in the land called Palestine. Nothing was taken away from anybody. It was British controlled land. Britain with the support of the UN divided the land called Palestine into two states, Israel and Palestine. Prior to that, it was just a territory inhabited by all. The Jews accepted the statehood and Israel became an official country. The Arab-Muslim population refused to recognize a Jewish state and thus did not accept the lands to be created under the term Palestine. But there was no Palestine country.
Then the Arab-Muslim population that didn't accept Israel as a state on 3 separate occasions, with the help of their Jew hating neighbors, attacked Israel in an effort to destroy it (Or were planning an attack..) The state of Israel then occupied territories that the Arab Muslim population turned down and occupied it for military strategy cause they kept getting attacked from there.
My point is, PALESTINE was just a name of a British territory that was then supposed to be divided between Muslim and Jewish states. So just like Canada is in N. America does not mean it's a United State of America.
-There was a resolution after WW2 which came up with the solution to grant Jews the state to live in, i believe there where 3.
There was a resolution after WW2 that gave BOTH, Jews and Muslims, living in the area called Palestine, a state to live in. Neither the Jews or the Muslims had the state prior to the resolution. It was a British territory and before that Ottoman Empire. It did not then and it does not now, belong to the Muslim Arab population that lived there and mostly co-existed with it's Jewish and Christian neighbors.
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First i would like to point out that, i really appreciate the civil and friendly discussion regarding this sensitive subject, if it did not go this way, i would simply not come back to this thread.
1. I understand the water issue, and i guess as i mentioned it is a part of problem,
2. As for the rest of your points, ofcourse i agree with you in certein areas, but problem lies elswhere, and to be exact it goes waaaaay beyond WW2.
I'am christian myself, Eastern orthrodox, but even in a bible just like in a Choran, the land is described as the land of Arab people, and belonging to to People of Mesopotomia, even Jesus who was jewish himself touches upon this area.
Yes Jewish people did live in this part of the land, even back then, but it has always been mentioned as land of Arab palestinians, British did not come up with this term just by an accident.
But then during the crussade wars, which had nothing to do with religion in a first place,Arab land was devided up by certein then powerfull and wealthy nations, and that is exactly the reason why me and you are sitting near the computer now in a 21st century and saying that British devided it up for everyone to live in it.
Thats where the problem lies, British had nothing to do there and just like now, it was a mistake for anyone to go there and colonize such part of the world.
British didi have tendence to practice extrateriotorialism, and they still do as we speak now, in China they have pieces of land which belong to British and chinese people can not step a foot on that land, because by the international standarts and law, during extrateritorialism, if you have a piece of land in another country it is yours, and all this was a result of Opium Wars.
So problem lies way deeper then probably we can all comprehand.