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Old 01-05-2009, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
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For arguments sake:

Nomenclature

The name Canaan is mentioned frequently in the Bible. It refers to parts or all of the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea in antiquity[5] It is also sometimes used interchangeably with the Land of Israel, Palestine, Zion, the Holy Land or the Promised Land.[citation needed]
Canaan predates the name Land of Israel but describes the same land.[6] The classical Jewish view, as explained by Schweid, is that "Canaan" is the geographical name; the renaming as "Israel" prior to its invasion by the Israelites marks its sanctification, the origin of the Holy Land concept.[7] The region of Judaea existed by that name for from the 6th century BC until it was renamed "Palestina" by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt against Rome in the 2nd century AD. In the Bible and elsewhere, Zion originally meant the region of and around Jerusalem but, because of the importance of this city, came to designate the whole of the Israelite land, as for example in the naming of Zionism.

But putting the religious ownership of the land to the side we need to be a little more pragmatic. The land belonged to the UK. They said:
Divide it into two states, Israel and Palestine. The Israelis said, Okay, thanks for giving us a Jewish state and giving holocaust survivors a place to live.
The Palestinians said, "Oh no, we don't want to recognize a Jewish state, the whole area should be ours!" and then they attacked Israel. So come the spoils of war and the Palestinians lost the land that they had already refused anyhow.

My point is further, that wasn't the first time that Muslim-Arabs tried to rid the world of Jews, nor the first time Germans, or Russians tried it either. The only difference is, now the Jews are armed to fight back and to suppress their enemies.

The Jewish state of Israel is a necessity. And it exists on land that has always had Jewish populations, holy sites and historical religious context.

The Jewish state is there to protect Jews from the continuing atrocities that have happened to them over and over and over again, throughout time.

From the holocausts, to the Spanish Inquisitions, to the Russian Pogroms, etc. And in every instance of Israels fight for survival, it has been attacked by neighboring hostile enemies who only care to destroy Israel because of it's Jewish leadership and citizenry.

It is the one, the only, Jewish homeland. And it's only the size of the state of New Jersey. The Middle East is tremendous and it's resources and fuels vast.. The only reason the Palestinians get the support from their neighbors is not because of what they may or may have not lost. But because they all have the same enemy, a Jewish lead state.

Anything less than an all out, defensive stance by Israel against hostile aggressions should be retaliated with equal or greater force.
As you have mantioned above, why do you think Israel views rest of the arab world as enemies? Surely Jews did not kick rest of the Arab people off the land?
The reason is, as often stated by Jews as an argument, why don't you go and live in the rest of the arab countries, they are same as you, as for us Jews we are different and therefor we deserve a state.
-That is a wrong aproach to begin with, no matter which way you turn it, just because in the past you have been mistreated that does not give you a right to misplace vast majority of population from one place to another, THAT'S CALLED ETHNIC CLEANSING, sure that will never bee recognized in 20th century history by United Nations, for those same reasons you mentioned above.
Just because Jews have been living there for centuries, that does not mean at that exact spot should be a country which serves the interest for mainly Jew state, as you know, the holliest places for all 3 religions is alltogether in a 100 meter radius, so what if mistreated group of christians state they need a state which should be based near the holliest places of their religion, that would be wrong would it not?
-Thats why there should have been palestine and everyone that lived there should have continued living as they where.
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