LOL I actually own a 04 civic that my wife and I use when a secondary car is needed.(mostly I use it to commute to work,trying to save gas and mileage). I couldn't agree more the civic is a tough ride and very noisy. But one thing I find very funny, is the civic has been in the shop zero times in 4 yrs. we have owned the civic since 2004. We brought it new. We got the x5 6 months ago. A 04 4.4 CPO, and it's been in the shop 3x. I still love my bimmer though!! But our civic always gets the job done.