bd3500 you are absloutely right..we are fanatics and i mean that in a good way..you are right most people just go about there business and live with the noise or put the radio on..i have spoken to numerous people who have had problems with there cars whether bmw or not and they have said i feel embarassed bringing the car to the or well its ok it is only a car...well that drives me crazy we spend good money on our cars and mr.bmw is already wealthy and for as long as i can i will be a thorn in there side if my car has problems