I want to stay with Cingular. I agree with you that SE phones tend to not be as rugged as Nokia. They also tend to be lacking in terms of reception. My main criteria for a phone is slimness/sleekness + a doze of coolness/uniqueness. If the phone didn't have camera + walkman, etc, it wouldn't bother me. I'm more into phones with unique form factors that are still simple and efficient to use: which is kinda hard to find these days because cell phone companies are jamming everything in they can. At the end of the day the phone is used to make calls. Thanks for suggestions guys.