Take it easy chilliwilli didnt mean to ruffle your feathers!!! I know that there are some nasty Bimmers out there I pick and choose my battles carefully. Anyway my ///M badge is to realy insight some curiosity among those that dont know X5's. My bimmer looks good and sounds Grrreeat and it always spark a discussion. and I never admit its not a M I always say I bought it like that, leave them wondering - hahahah