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Originally Posted by sunny5280
My responses in blue. And mine in red - JCL
- Irrelevant. They're recommending the fluid be changed. You're not implying they're recommending a service which offers no benefit or runs an excessive risk of damaing the vehicle are you? Of course not, that would be slanderous. I am pointing out that since owners want a mileage figure for the fluid change, for a procedure with no defined benefit, and some potential downside, that BMW would like you to do it after the warranty is over so as not to cause them to have to pay for your transmission. Or it could be a coincidence.
- It is a fact thus making it an argument. I wish I could be as sure of anything as you are. Note this one for later.
- Therefore changing the fluid restores those lost qualities the fluid offers. So how do you know the additives are worn out? You are ignoring the evidence we do have that they last much longer than that.
- Perhaps? Suggest? Not confidence inspiring. I find that speaking in absolutes leaves one open for ridicule. Ever find that?
- Yes these items wear and eventually require replacement. Those were lifetime fluids in those items. You earlier said there is no such thing as a lifetime fluid. You even called that statement a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the weakness in your argument here?
It seems we've been agreement the entire time. No, we're not. You are so sure of yourself that you miss the logical inconsistencies in your position.
Yet the con "change ATF" people act as if there is. My position is, and always has been, there's no data to show a correlation between changing the ATF fluid and subsequent transmission failures. Therefore it's an urban legend, folklore, wives tale, what-have-you. And that is why we haven't been in agreement. You, one of the "pro change ATF people" act as if there is correlation between changing the fluid and longer transmission life. You refuse to acknowledge that there are both risks and rewards, and you discount the risks while reaching for the potential rewards. I think you coined it "urban legend vs sound advice" |
Others have noted that your continued use of the phrase 'urban legend' is somewhat misleading. I agree with this observation. It is an urban legend to you because you have never seen it, and are not familiar with the workings of an automatic transmission. If I have seen examples firsthand that persuade me that there is a risk that outweighs the rewards, and at the same time I don't even know who Mr. Miller is but rather rely on my own experiences, it doesn't feel like an urban legend. Anecdotal, perhaps. However, many things in life are based on professional judgement, as opposed to internet heresay.
MD was correct in that this is a little like a high school debate. The purpose of it to me, though, is to show both sides of the argument, so that future readers can make their own minds up and not rely on the old wives tale/urban legend/etc that all fluids are worn out soon after being installed. I think we are probably accomplishing that.
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