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Old 09-10-2010, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by el_duderino View Post
A note on balanced outputs:

Regular RCA cables carry single-ended outputs. These have the outer ring at chassis ground and the (+) center conductor carries the signal.

Balanced lines (like in an XLR connector) work differently. There is a (+) wire, a (-) wire, and a reference ground wire. The signal on the (+) wire is the same as on the (-) wire, but UPSIDE DOWN.

At the other end of a FULLY balanced signal chain, one signal is inverted and then the two are summed together. If any noise is picked up on the cable, inverting the signal puts the signals back inphase, but now makes the noise on one the exact opposite of the noise on the other. If you sum them together, the noises cancel each other out.

So the BMW is balanced (as are many stereo systems) with a twist: a LOT of DC content to the signal. Basically, the signals vary in voltage, but never cross the 0V line, so they're not true AC. We don't care about that if it didn'teventually toast your amp.

So many amps take "balanced inputs". Yes, they do, but they don't do the cancellation thing - they just float the signal ground so you can run these signals straight in. They DON'T use the (-) side of the signal.

So the important thing when working with the BMW preout is to get the DC out and get a signal your amp can use. You can do this with an LOC that has transformers in it, or with a Ground Loop Isolator (they have transformers too). Or you can use a shunt capacitor to ground (like xtant used to tell people to do with BMWs). I've done all of those. Many amps can't take a balanced input, so the LOC can give them a signal that doesn't freak them out.

Hope this helped somewhat...
I have a 2002 non-DSP. A few days ago, I stopped getting audio output from the system. The head unit functions properly, and nothing fell off of the car. I am getting very odd impedance readings from some of the speakers. I don't know what nominal is, but I am getting anywhere from 2-12.6 ohms. I believe a bad impedance situation is causing the amplifier to go into a protection mode (an auto mute, as it were). I understand the difference between single ended and differential outputs, however, on the non-DSP, I am have the same common (brown with red stripe) for all four channels coming from the head unit to the amplifier. This leads me to believe that it may not be a differential (or balanced) output. I am measuring only 6mVDC of offset, and am only reading around 10mVAC for the time-varying measurement. I believe this supports the idea that the amp may be shutting itself down, or perhaps the head unit is shutting down its outputs. Any suggestions are welcome. Specifically, have any of you had any direct experience with the non-DSP, and any idea if one of the JL Audio amps with differential inputs would match well with the head units outputs?
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