I am really surprised by peoples responses in snow conditions with these tires. I am telling you, my 06, with about 6 inches of snow was a blast to drive. I was leaving everyone at lights. I was sliding sideways, and fishtailing in turns, and not a scary sliding, but on purpose, and very controllable, with DSC off. Oh, 4.8is, with 20s. I am sure if there was more snow, I would have to put on my winter setup, but it was way better than decent. I really can't complain.

Oh maybe because it was decent softish-wetish snow, not frozen solid. Maybe that's why.

Oh yes, the summer performance is a bit less than the factory Michellins. But overall, I would never put the factory back on, especially for half price, and the overall performance. It is still a very very very heavy car, and there is only so much your tires can do for you before you lose traction pulling some insane turn.