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Originally Posted by TiAgX5
4.5 lb per hp with no traction control, ABS, stability control is by no means not a drivers car. There was more then one time the rear 335s broke loose in 4th gear at speeds over 100mph on dry pavement, even at DeSoto speedway launching in 2nd on street tires I would turn low 11s backpedaling the throttle the entire 1/4 mile. IMHO ANY vehicle that has electronic driver aids that cannot be 100% disables from the drivers seat is NOT a drivers car. No sofware developer/desk jockey is going to decide how much car I can handle!
In addition, the first gen Viper was the first production vehicle in the world that could pull over 1G in a turn right off the showroom floor.
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I definitely agree that a car with no driver aids is a driver's car - no question. Especially one that can bite your head pretty /fasthard like a Viper. That car is a pretty volatile machine and not forgiving at all.
According to Google, the 1st Gen. Viper's average lateral grip was down around .96g. The F40 had an average lateral grip of .94. That said, although those numbers indicate the Viper could out handle an F40 on the skid pad, when you add other variables to the equation such as sudden load transfers (what happens in real life) rather than slow load transfers (which happen under controlled conditions and are thus not realistic), I bet you couldn't find anyone who would say that the 1st Gen. Viper could out-handle an F40.
Just playing devil's advocate...
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Originally Posted by TiAgX5
Last gen Viper set the track record for production vehicles at the N'ring, right out of the box with the same shock, spring, sways, tires, wing settings and alignment setting as the Vipers sold thru dealer network. End of discussion! Still the fastest to this day. Subaru ever gone to the ring to set a time?
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True BUT...if I recall correctly, it was the Viper ACR rather than the standard Viper that set that lap record. The ACR came from the factory with KW ClubSports which were fully adjustable (and thus tuned for the 'Ring at the time of testing), had better brakes, FULL aero, and Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires (you know, the DOT approved slick - it's akin to a racing intermediate...). In my honest opinion, comparing an ACR to a standard Viper is akin to comparing the E92 M3 GTS to a fully optioned E90 M3. Actually, it's a bit worse because the GTS doesn't even have fully adjustable aero.
That said, I had a friend who had an ACR. Christ, what a machine. That car literally scared the piss out of me. A month or so later he backed it into the wall at Bishop's at Sebring after the rear snapped on him. The car turned 180 degrees so quickly that he was barely able to begin counter-steering before he was facing the wrong way. What a monster. It was a write off.