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Originally Posted by pink_roundel
Guns.. Is this the real issue? No I do not believe so. The real issue is we live in a politically correct society and when somebody gets their feelings hurt they want to go shoot up the place. This new generation is so sensitive, they get picked on or "bullied" in school then they go home get the daddy's legal gun take it to school and kill a bunch of people. We need to get back to disciplining our children and teaching them to stand up for themselves. Not everyone can be a winner, everybody loses sometime. Also we need to get "big government" out of what local government is paid to do.
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AGREED! This is exactly what I started off stating. It's not the proliferation of guns that should alarm people but rather that these mass killers choose to act the way they do. If people read about a man who had been fired from his job for being terrible at his job who then goes to his former workplace with a hatchet and hacks 10 people to death, including totally uninvolved people, would you react and say that hatchets are to blame or would your first reaction be "why would someone do such a thing over losing a job???". Exactly....
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Originally Posted by TerminatorX5
in a law-abiding society I should not resort to self-defense, judgement and execution... (for some reason the Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman case comes to mind). In a wild-wild west - it is a different story...
on the other hand, if the foreign power invades and the military for some reason is not capable, than the civilian backup to the military makes sense... As it is written in the 2nd amendment, as a matter of fact...
I am trying to remember, which oriental city has like a 1000 unarmed cops keeping peace - is it Singapore? It would be clearly a SUICIDAL mission in NYC... or LA... we are different, and should acknowledge that - we are rather a violent society, glorifying crime - "gone in 60 seconds", "fast & furious" are just couple of movies coming to mind where criminals are portrayed as modern day Robin Hoods, Zorros... while in reality, many of them are trying to finance their habits... whatever those might be...
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The key to your statement is the presupposition that we live in a law-abiding society. Most people do comport with this but a dangerous minority do not. If you do not believe in the right of self defense when attacked then you are not just denying the law but denying a basic human instinct. I'm not talking about a "Red Dawn"scenario where we'd have to defend against invading Russians. I'm talking about an armed intruder breaks into your house while you are home with your family. What would you do? Of course you'd defend yourself. What would you want to have to survive the situation?
The Trayon Martin case is so distorted by the media that I don't know if we'll ever get the truth but that case is not about gun control whatsoever so I'll leave it at that.
I absolutely agree with you that our society is different than many others for whatever reason. We pride ourselves on many freedoms but those freedoms come with a price, whether it is the freedom to pursue the American Dream in a free market economy that results in disparate wealth or whether it be the freedom of speech where people can vehemently argue their sides no matter how vile it is.
djbock: No evil black rifle!!! This one is much kinder and gentler.
BTW, this is a real and fully functional AR-15 (California compliant) rifle.