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JCL · #79 01-02-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

You know, we've had a pretty civil discussion concerning such an emotional issue. And, now you're resorting to personal attacks in an attempt to belittle me. My lack of "critical thinking" according to...you and "I must only read headlines". Please refrain...don't let this happen again.

I didn't define violent crime. I posted a couple of links to show all is not rosy in the UK...banned guns...and they still have serious issues with violent crime. If I was posting a story about MURDERS...then I would've. Your definition of violent may be different than mine and others.

I am pointing out that the link you posted, which said in the title of the link that South Africa has more violence than the UK (supporting your point), says in the body of the same link that South Africa has 20,000 murders compared to 921 in the UK. Do you see the failing of your posting? You posted a headline, when the text within the link proves the opposite to the point you are trying to prove. That is the problem with junk news sites, they come up with headlines to sell their product even when those headlines are wrong. And you fell for it. Sorry if pointing that out feels like a personal attack to you.

If this isn't a lack of critical thinking, I don't know what is. Now you are saying that murders don't constitute violent crime, but bar fights do (OK, in the UK they would be called pub fights). What is the possible relevance of fights as a statistic, if those fights don't include guns, in a discussion about gun violence? I could in fact further counter your 'guns make us safer' argument by pointing out that the UK has societal issues, and violence, but not the same degree of gun violence. Suggesting that one of the differences is gun control. And the thread is about gun control.

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