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Originally Posted by JCL
I am pointing out that the link you posted, which said in the title of the link that South Africa has more violence than the UK (supporting your point), says in the body of the same link that South Africa has 20,000 murders compared to 921 in the UK. Do you see the failing of your posting? You posted a headline, when the text within the link proves the opposite to the point you are trying to prove. That is the problem with junk news sites, they come up with headlines to sell their product even when those headlines are wrong. And you fell for it. Sorry if pointing that out feels like a personal attack to you.
If this isn't a lack of critical thinking, I don't know what is. Now you are saying that murders don't constitute violent crime, but bar fights do (OK, in the UK they would be called pub fights). What is the possible relevance of fights as a statistic, if those fights don't include guns, in a discussion about gun violence? I could in fact further counter your 'guns make us safer' argument by pointing out that the UK has societal issues, and violence, but not the same degree of gun violence. Suggesting that one of the differences is gun control. And the thread is about gun control.
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The article very clearly shows the stats for the degrees of crimes. It's not my fault that countries define violent offenses differently. Each reader can decide for themselves what to think.
I'll bet you didn't like this part of the article either:
"The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609."
Wow, Canada has double the amount of violent crimes than the USA...and you think we should put our guns down? Or, are the crimes in Canada not really violent either...just the ones in the USA?
I'll bet you didn't like these either from the first article:
"Shadow home secretary Ann Widdecombe said: 'It's no wonder the people of England and Wales have more chance of becoming victims of crime when there are over 2,500 fewer police, violent crime is soaring and 30,000 convicted prisoners have been let out before serving even half their sentences."
"The chances of having your car stolen are greater in England and Wales than anywhere else in the developed world, it said."
"Recent statistics show that, while overall crime in Britain is falling, violence, particularly street robbery, is rising sharply."
Doesn't exactly sound like pub fights, huh.
It seems to me that gun control advocates are under the impression that if we take guns away, there can be peace and fewer violent crimes committed against innocent civilians. It's important to remind ourselves that violent people are violent people and will use any measure necessary to exact their form of violence. It doesn't go away. The only thing that goes away with gun control...innocent civilians are now at the mercy of LE to protect them. Can LE be everywhere at once?
You know, I heard that the riots in LA had LE on their heels. It was due to the shopkeepers possessing firearms that actually helped LE take control over the situation.
My critical thinking is just fine. You have your POV and I have mine. No more insults, OK? How about you just post up your articles or facts that give a counter to mine or anyone else's...and leave the personal stuff out, fair enough?