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Old 04-03-2013, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jeep View Post
Ard, sure appreciate your advise but sure can do without the acerbic candor Do keep your suggestions coming.

It's just been a crazy week for me 'cause I had promised my daughter to take her to Disney, with the X5 out of action I had to take my 3 series, plus the dealer was taking their time to connect with BMW. I had already left a msg for my Indy but could only connect back once I returned from my trip.

The Indy says it's very rare to have a damaged Vanos assembly, usually these errors are thrown by dirty solenoids which can be cleaned for $150 bucks. If there is indeed wear and tear they can be replaced for a few hundred.

I also got the estimate from the dealer, they are still gonna charge 1000+ even with BMWNA pitching 50%, so no guesses where I am taking the car for a checkup.
Did the dealer give you a written diagnosis? You've probably thought this, but if not, how can they set a price? For sport I'd hound them on that for a while, but still take it elsewhere for the vanos/cam code. make them fix the DTML at the same time they are writing up a written estimate....BMW doesnt split "estimates to figure out whayt is wrong". IMO, BMW isnt paying for it, they know $500 will more than cover it. Again IMO

Glad the indy provided that input. One thing to consider- many times the cause of cam/vanos/crank timing codes is that a position sensors develop cracks/delaminations internally and the signals that get transmitted to the DME become degraded- eventually throwing a code. The otehr issue is, like he said, you get o rings degrading around the solenoids and/or crap in the solenoids themselves. The differential diagnosis is running a VANOS function test on the GT1. Solenoid issues will show up with a reduced ability to vary timing. Whereas a bad sensor will be occasional and sporadic. But we dont even have a code yet, do we?

GL

A


PS I can be rough, but part of the reason is to get peoples' attention....
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