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newbie1 08-05-2007 02:37 PM

Voice command on X3 Bluetooth
 
Hi All,

I have an 04 x3 with bluetooth but the ulf (pt no 84 11 6 946 993) does not come with voice command, I was told this is something I may be able to activate myself by making minor changes to the wiring, has anyone done this and got a result.

If I have to change the ulf does anyone know if the pt no 84 21 6 955 522 will work, someone said it is the 6th Gen BLUETOOTH ULF MODULE fot the E38 E39 E46 E53 MINI but not the X3, what is the difference.

Cheers,

Jon



trapdoor 08-21-2007 05:19 PM

I have been looking into this as I am quite annoyed that my 04 X3 is not VR enabled.

I had BT retrofitted to my 330i, and used the VR quite a bit to dial numbers - it's safer than fannying around with the nav screen.

My X3 is in at the dealers having an electrical (battery drain) issue sorted. I have asked them to check why VR isn't working - I expect them to say it's because SA620 wasn't ordered with the car.

I have seen various posts saying that it is to do with central coding, others saying that an uncoded ULF mit SES module will work - others saying that the car won't allow an uncodedmodule to work etc etc.

If anyone has an answer, then that would be excellent.

I wondered if the navcoder software by kiwijochen can code the SES?

I think perhaps a lobby to BMW on a 'safety' issue may get them to release a retrofit option for coding the VR ... I'd pay say 100 to have it activated .... if all it is, is coding, then what is the REAL cost to BMW?

davidr 08-22-2007 08:44 AM

In the UK factory supplied ULF's come with VR deactivated in the software - believed to be central as well as module ULF coding since retrofitted "uncoded" ULF's don't always activate VR in X3's

To activate it you need to ask a dealer to perform the module coding change. I had this done for free at a UK dealer (Sytner in Ascot) but could not obtain the coding command - would be great to add to Kiwijochen's navcoder.

Your are correct - the ULF must have "MIT SES" written on the label to signify VR hardware.

For GB language, VR "help" does not mention Sat Nav commands although these are present and do work. Also, GB VR does not support miles/yards - only KM and M.

In the US, VR does not appear to be disabled, so new uncoded ULF's offer VR when retrofitted.

Usual case of UK consumers being ripped off by BMW simply because we choose to drive on the correct side of the road ...

Brian-bmw 08-22-2007 09:17 AM

Search for NavCoder on this forum. That utility can enable VR in your ULF.

davidr 08-22-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian-bmw
Search for NavCoder on this forum. That utility can enable VR in your ULF.


Wow - what version is this in ? Not in 2.1.1

trapdoor 08-23-2007 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidr
In the UK factory supplied ULF's come with VR deactivated in the software - believed to be central as well as module ULF coding since retrofitted "uncoded" ULF's don't always activate VR in X3's

To activate it you need to ask a dealer to perform the module coding change. I had this done for free at a UK dealer (Sytner in Ascot) but could not obtain the coding command - would be great to add to Kiwijochen's navcoder.

Your are correct - the ULF must have "MIT SES" written on the label to signify VR hardware.

For GB language, VR "help" does not mention Sat Nav commands although these are present and do work. Also, GB VR does not support miles/yards - only KM and M.

In the US, VR does not appear to be disabled, so new uncoded ULF's offer VR when retrofitted.

Usual case of UK consumers being ripped off by BMW simply because we choose to drive on the correct side of the road ...

Hi again David,

So, are you saying that in an X3 which has VR factory disabled, your dealer was able to code the ULF and Central to activate it? If that is the case, then that is quite encouraging as I have a feeling when I go to collect on Saturday, I will be told "there is no VR facility on the X3"!

Interesting to know what version of NavCoder has the VR coding as the version I have (yet to try out as am not sure where to tap into on the car) doesn't have the option.

davidr 08-25-2007 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trapdoor
Hi again David,

So, are you saying that in an X3 which has VR factory disabled, your dealer was able to code the ULF and Central to activate it? If that is the case, then that is quite encouraging as I have a feeling when I go to collect on Saturday, I will be told "there is no VR facility on the X3"!
.

Yes, Sytner BMW Ascot coded VR on my 2006 X3 in Nov last year. I have a generation 6 ULF with SES that now has SA620. I had been pestering them for a while to do this and was prepared to pay but they kept saying it would involve a complete vehicle coding since no retrofit option was available. Whether this appeared in a software update or I just got lucky and found a tech who knew what he was doing, I'll never know. From posts on bimmeboard it sounds like Kiwijochen may have cracked the code, so as Brian says, we'll soon be able to code it oursleves.

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/view...7872&highlight=

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/talker/view...3741&highlight=


Quote:

Originally Posted by trapdoor
Interesting to know what version of NavCoder has the VR coding as the version I have (yet to try out as am not sure where to tap into on the car) doesn't have the option.

I don't think it's released yet. Tap into the CD changer connector under the central console storage bin.

trapdoor 09-09-2007 07:03 AM

Hi David,

Thanks for the reply. Have been away on holiday & X3 has been at the dealers sorting out a few post-delivery 'issues'!

I am getting the 'cannot be done' story from them with the VR - as the car wasn't built with SA620 at the factory - evidently I need additional hardware (a VR module!!!!) at about 500 to get it to work.

Anyway, when I get the car back on Monday and find a way to link the i-bus interface in without ripping the car to bits, I will see if Jochen's new navcoder will enable it.

Failing that, it may be worth me taking a trip to Sytner Ascot ...

M.

ccfj1 09-10-2007 04:34 AM

I can only speak about what I have done.

I retrofitted OEM BT (e46) and bought a ULF mit SES (3rd GEN), however VR was not factory enabled, I already had the i-bus interface (self built) and with Jochen's navcoder, I enabled the VR part of the ULF.

Also my mate also had a ULF (without SES), and we tried navcoder on that and it enabled VR on his also.

SO I know that you can enable SES (VR) on a mit SES and a non SES ULF.

Jochen's Navcoder is a very good peice of kit.

trapdoor 09-10-2007 12:46 PM

That sounds promising - collected the car this pm and was told by the service manager that there was 'no way'my car would work with VR without the VR module added!

So, will have a go with Navcoder now I have the car back - just got to find a good point to tap into the i-bus that doesn't mean ripping the car to bits - unfortunately(!) I have a CD changer so I cannot easily get at the i-bus port for the changer under the arm rest - think I will haul the Mk4 out and tap in there.

How has everyone tapped in? Using a 'Scotchlock' type thing (the type that breaks into the cable) or just poking wires into the correct connector? Wouldn't mind a semi-permanent solution - perhaps installing the Resler interface into the car somewhere and then just having a USB port on the car would be good......


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