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Kev 10-13-2007 10:32 AM

No harness - no bluetooth ?
 
Having a bit of a run with bad luck these days :bawling:

This new ULF that I'm about to pick up tomorrow...

Well I just took out the plastic trim in the boot to have a look at where it's going to fit (already located the mike wire), and THERES NO BLOODY CONNECTOR !!!!

Which ties in with the fact that under the armrest there's SFA too !

So looks like I'll have to stick with the Nokia after all. Gutted.

I was sure that a fully specced car with TV/NAV, Memory seats etc. would at least be pre-wired. Maybe it's just us in the UK that suffer as I have read everywhere on this forum that all USA X5s are prewired for phone.

Here's what I found

http://www.qualityibizaapartments.com/boot.jpg

I've seen a PDF on here that shows a complete retrofit kit with loom and ULF etc. but of course i'd only want the boot section part of the loom (no interest in the cradle other than for pairing). Does anyone know if that part is for sale seperately?

Thanks again guys.

Kev

Kev 10-13-2007 12:26 PM

... or indeed if that would be of any use to me.

Maybe the 3-pin connector I found near the map-light in the headlining isn't for the mike after all (one red and two dark wires). If it is, where would the other end be !?! And why bother having the buttons on the steering wheel?

Would be really nice to hear that there's a simple cable that I need to add to my shopping list, but I doubt it based on my luck so far. Here's what the car came with...

http://www.qualityibizaapartments.com/options.jpg

Sorry it's in German but the numbers are what counts and SA604 ain't there whichever language its in.

I'm supposed to pick up the ULF tomorrow. If anyone could give me some advice before then I'd be eternally grateful.

Kev.

trapdoor 10-13-2007 02:03 PM

Try this Kev....

http://www.janixworld.com/x5/phone/

http://www.janixworld.com/x5/phone/bluetooth.pdf

Looks like pre 04/2002 build date X5's don't have SA640 as standard

Kev 10-13-2007 02:17 PM

Cheers TD. I read those front-to-back now and still no clearer on which way to go. Americans dont have this problem it seems as they are all pre-wired. Back in Munich (where mine was imported from), they don't bother.

The car was built in June 2003. There's no standard SA640 in euro built X5s even then. So that's that.

Buggered really. Tried realoem to see if a harness was listed. No joy.

If I contact bimmernav they will want to sell me the whole shebang which I don't really want as I can get the main part (ULF) quite cheaply. Might give them a try anyway.

Bit disappointed now after all that euphoria about the XDA working.

Oh well, still a nice car, even without the bluetooth ;)

ccfj1 10-15-2007 06:22 AM

Kev, you could always make you own BT lead up...

I made mine up for less that 30, have a look here.

http://www.xoutpost.com/bluetooth/324...h-install.html

I have some spares, from when I did mine so maybe able to help you out.

Do ypou have the 40 quad lock type connector for your radio module?

P.S you should be able to get the loom on its own, this is the loom for a e46 (but you get the idea), give the parts dept your vin and they should be able to tell you the price and the part number for the retrofit loom.

Bluetooth Wiring Harness BMW p/n 61-12-0-143-309 120.00

Kev 10-15-2007 05:16 PM

Thanks John mate, bit more encouraged now :thumbup:

Even if I need to fork out 120 for a harness, at least if it works and doesn't involve ripping the carpet up I could live with it.

Got the ULF now, all looks good, came with the card/key and book (one with with phone box on the cover).

Hopefully all I need to do is get the cradle, mike, antenna and two cables now.

If the dealers cant help with a cable how do you fancy getting your soldering iron out again (for a good price of course). Just the minimal cable would do. Just need to check my TV/NAV connector tomorrow - hopefully it's ok on a 2003.

Well done on your retrofit. You must have been as happy as a pig in poo when it all worked ;)

Call to the dealers in the morning. Can't find a part number on real oem or ETK.

Thanks again.

Kev

ccfj1 10-16-2007 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kev
Thanks John mate, bit more encouraged now :thumbup:

That's it mate don't loose heart :)

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Even if I need to fork out 120 for a harness, at least if it works and doesn't involve ripping the carpet up I could live with it.
Well with me, I was too cheap to pay the dealer 120 for a harness that is essentially a telemute lead.

As for the carpet I followed a different route than that of the OEM install and it saved a lot of stripping and was much easier to do.

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Got the ULF now, all looks good, came with the card/key and book (one with with phone box on the cover).
Snap, that's exactly what I got, oh, I got the bracket too.

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Hopefully all I need to do is get the cradle, mike, antenna and two cables now.
Strictly speaking you don't need the 2nd lead (sharkfin to cradle) or the cradle, but you deffo need the mic, BT antenna, antenna lead and a pair button.

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If the dealers cant help with a cable how do you fancy getting your soldering iron out again (for a good price of course). Just the minimal cable would do.
I could be tempted, I've just converted a BitII lead to a BT lead , I also made it have a telemute option as he has a aftermarket HU, so he has that option as well as OEM.

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Just need to check my TV/NAV connector tomorrow - hopefully it's ok on a 2003.
It's the radio module you need to check, for that year it should be a bm54 (same as mine), it should look like this...

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...SCF1707-vi.jpg

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Well done on your retrofit. You must have been as happy as a pig in poo when it all worked ;)
Thanks, I was bricking it mate, but over the moon, a great feeling when it all powered up and was seen by the nav.

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Call to the dealers in the morning. Can't find a part number on real oem or ETK.
Here are some part numbers that may be useful, they will be the same for your car (probably).

Bluetooth Antenna, BMW p/n 84-50-6-928-461 9.37
FARKA ULF to Antenna, 4755MM, BMW p/n 61-12-6-912-541 16.50
Microphone, BMW p/n 84-31-6 938-762 25.54
Microphone Cover, BMW p/n 51-44-8 250-115 1.88
Eject Box with pairing button, BMW p/n 84-21-6 933-415 36.00

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Thanks again.

Kev
No problem mate.

Kev 10-16-2007 04:11 PM

Evening mate, quick update...

Got the info from the Dealer$ and the harness is available for e E53 but looks like quite a complicated bit of wiring ...

http://www.qualityibizaapartments.com/133.png

...and it's 120 squids. I know I probably need the three big connectors (ULF, Radio, Power?). Then one to the cradle (or pairing button), and one to the mike (is this all the way to the headlining? Only I did find a 3pin connector). As for the rest...? Well ones an earth, but NFI on the other 2.

I see what you mean about the telemute cables. Only 25, so quite a bit of embelishment on the part of BMW to get to 120 eh?

Still, the futures bright...

Feel free to stop me before I give Simon James 120 for a cable...

Going to have a look at TFM thats kicking around on this site somewhere....

Great to have your help here... really appreciated.

Kev

Kev 10-16-2007 04:36 PM

The PDF is quite useful, it probably skims over some really nasty bits of the install but at least it looks quite straight forward. Up to the bit where I have to dismantel the centre console springs and run the mike cable up the a-pillar.

I was wondering, what else could that 3pin plug be in the headlining. We don't really do homelink stuff in the UK, so can't see it being that can you? Surely it's the mike ?

If I could contain all the work to the boot I'd be a lot happier, but if not then I'll just take my time. I'd leave the pairing button in the boot with the ULF.

Then the trip down to my Indie, to spend another 50 having it coded by their Autologic system. I assume this is absolutely necessary...

Getting closer...

ccfj1 10-17-2007 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kev
Evening mate, quick update...

Got the info from the Dealer$ and the harness is available for e E53 but looks like quite a complicated bit of wiring ...

http://www.qualityibizaapartments.com/133.png

...and it's 120 squids. I know I probably need the three big connectors (ULF, Radio, Power?). Then one to the cradle (or pairing button), and one to the mike (is this all the way to the headlining? Only I did find a 3pin connector). As for the rest...? Well ones an earth, but NFI on the other 2.

Could be the extra GND and power pick ups and the speaker out (from the ULF)

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I see what you mean about the telemute cables. Only 25, so quite a bit of embelishment on the part of BMW to get to 120 eh?
Indeed, I only paid 9 for the telemute and 12 for the plug and plug connectors, plus about a tenner for the other stuff i needed.

Most of the stuff came from eBay, but deffo get the BT antenna, mic (+cover) and FARKA antenna lead from the dealers, they are cheaper than ebay (i know hard to belive).

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Feel free to stop me before I give Simon James 120 for a cable...
Lol, like I said, I could be tempted :) what would you be looking for? just the basic lead, ULF to the radio module (for things like power, ibus, gnd, switched ign, mute and tel on), plus the pair button in the boot, and a 5m lead run for the mic? PM me to hammer out some details.

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Going to have a look at TFM thats kicking around on this site somewhere....

Great to have your help here... really appreciated.
No problem, glad to help.

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The PDF is quite useful, it probably skims over some really nasty bits of the install but at least it looks quite straight forward. Up to the bit where I have to dismantel the centre console springs and run the mike cable up the a-pillar.
It is fairly straight forward, you just need to be methodical (sp?).

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I was wondering, what else could that 3pin plug be in the headlining. We don't really do homelink stuff in the UK, so can't see it being that can you? Surely it's the mike ?
It sounds like the mic to me, is the connector black? it must go to the back some where?
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If I could contain all the work to the boot I'd be a lot happier, but if not then I'll just take my time. I'd leave the pairing button in the boot with the ULF.
If you are leveing the pair button in the back it does make ita bit easier, but you still have to run the antenna lead to the centre console.

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Then the trip down to my Indie, to spend another 50 having it coded by their Autologic system. I assume this is absolutely necessary...
Nope, not needed, the telephone is a non code option, once the I-bus detectes the ULF, its ready to use.

If you have a ULF "MIT SES" the you get the voice control as well, if you don't have "MIT SES" then get jochens navcoder and an I-Bus interface and code the ULF for VR.

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Getting closer...
Getting there.


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