Bluetooth Retrofit 2001 X5 woes
 

Hi All,

Sorry if im asking an allready asked question.

I have at 2001 model x5 4.4 withouth bluetooth. I really want to install it. It is however VERY costly (3000+ USD), and my Local BMW shop is not real happy to do it as they say there are many problems with getting phones to work ok with the kit BMW suggest should be mounted.

I asked for the details, and here it is;

Car Manuafctured in Gernmany for US Market on 5 september 2001

According to BMW the Option kit to mount is 8464 0302 179
This kit should support production run from april 2001 to october 2001
within the kit mentioned above is something identified with 8421 6938 610 (some electronics box).

By installing the above option My local dealer tells me I will be severely limited as to pairing new bluetooth phones and get a fully functioning integration, only newer phone that works allright is ericsson t630 and nokia 6230i. (not really an option as i will be changing my phone every 2 years or so)

There is a NEWER set available from BMW (for models manufactured april 2002 onwards), known as 8464 0302 177, containing electronics 8410 6969 268. However the dealer is unsure if this kit can be mounted in the car with success. This new kit supports many more phones - also future bluetooth enabled phones. So This Is the kit that could justify the exorbitant cost.

Anybody have any experience with these issues.

Notice that I'm in denmark and car prices here are ridiculous... so the cost does not bother me as much as the lack of future-proofing.

My Current phone is a t630.

Regards,

OhmegaStar

Wow - Theres been no responses . I there really nobody who knows if it can be done ?

Regards,

OhmegaStar

I retrofitted the BMW Bluetooth system into my 2001 X5 and it was very straightforward. I am able to pair lots of BT enabled phones, including but not limimted to the Motorola V600, Motorola V551, Motorola V3 Razr, and the SE Z600. See http://www.xoutpost.com/articles.php?...ticle&artid=26 for my installation.

My vehicle has the phone prep, but it sounds like yours may not. According to Jan's write-up at http://www.janixworld.com/x5/phone/ the kit you need to buy if your car does NOT have option S640A installed is part number 84 64 0 153 227 at approximately 750 Euros (without snap-in holder,plus tax) and installation time is somewhere around 10 hrs.

Does kit 84 64 0 153 227 indeed fit cars before 03/2002 ?
 

Hi UCrewX5,

Thanks for Answering. I've read up on your Retrofit - but you are buying a kit not from BMW - but somebody else. I Think Janix's Writeup it the one to follow for me. The kit number 84 64 0 153 227 seems to be for cars from 03/2002 onwards ??? mine is older than that (09/2001)

I've sent the details to the BMW Shop - lets see what they say..

Thanks for the input!

Regards,

I installed the BMW bluetooth system using the adaptor harnesses made by AdvancedAutovations.

So I've got S640A Option. But...
 

Hi All,

As the Title say, the BMW shop tells me that I have the option S640A :) , which means that i shoud not need 84 64 0 153 227..

Still 'Im trying to find if ANYBODY have mounted; 84 64 0 302 177 + 84 10 6 969 268 on a pre 03/2002 manufactured X5 ?????


Regards, Ohmegastar..

(do i need a new thread to get answers ??)

Mine was manufactured on 11/01. I bought the ULF module & harness from Advancedautovations as well.

Hi,

Can I ask why you're all ordering the advanceautovations kit - and not the original bmw one... ???

As I'm in Denmark I do have a concern about (potential) EURO compatibility issues of the advanceautovations kit - so I'm currently not even considering it.

can you give the the sales pitch for the autovations kit compared against the bmw offering. not the hype - but the real facts from a user standpoint..


Regards,

OhmegaStar

There were 2 main reasons for me. Crevier BMW (my parts supplier of choice in CA), was not selling BT ULF modules due to the fact that BMW USA still had >3,000 early generation modules that they were forcing dealers to sell before they would let dealers start shipping the latest ULF modules. AA's had the ULF module in stock at roughly the same price as going through the dealer. In addition, AA's makes the needed custom wiring harness that connects to your DB25 plug in order to make the system operational. Martin Bishop is the only other person to get this custom harness from. The downside is that AA's is a small outfit, very busy, and often tough to get information from. I'm pretty sure that even if you get the module from the dealer, that you will have to buy the custom harness to make it work.

Ah, I get it - so the ULF box you get from advance is the BMW one :-) Can i ask which part no's.

As I understand the harness created by advance - thats simply the one matching S640A option (or 84 64 0 153 227) from BMW...

Regards

OhmegaStar

Yes, the ULF module from AA's is an OEM BMW part. I don't have the part number handy. I installed the module in the original factory location, and I would have to take some things apart to get to it to read the part number.

I'm not sure I understand your statement in the second sentence. If you have option S640A, then you have the DB25 plug that plugs into the custom wiring harness from AA's. Does that make sense?

SuperGreg,

I appreciate your answers!

the Part Number - would that be on the invoice perhaps ?

As for Sentence 2. I'm not sure either. Let me explain;

S640A is Telephone Pre-Wiring, std. on cars after 04/2002, some pre 04/2002 has a harness thats not BT compatible, hence the (potential) need for a new harness.

The new Retrofit Kit (84 64 0 302 177) should provide handsfree, snap in box etc. Not wiring as this should be present in the car (hence the 03/2002 manufacture date requirement).

For the ULF Box (84 10 6 969 268), this should connect directly to the harness above. So I assume that the AdvancedAutovations harness is a custom replacement for cars not having the harness preinstalled ?

This is very difficult to determine - all i want to know is have anybody mounted the current bt kit on a 2001 x5 - with or without custom harness etc..


Regards,

OhmegaStar

I forgot to add, or am i missing the point .- it the advanceautovations harness a "converter" from the new ulf box to the older bmw harness ???

...very confused...

- No, it's not on the invoice
- I know what option S640 is. That is the harness that has the DB25 plug at the end.
- To answer this question "So I assume that the AdvancedAutovations harness is a custom replacement for cars not having the harness preinstalled ?" Yes and no. They have a harness available if you don't have option S640A, but their custom harness I have been mentioning is for retrofitting the newer ULF module to the older S640A harness with the DB25 plug. Mine was produced on 11/01, so I didn't need an external amp. I believe the 2001's without DSP also need the amp.

I'll be back in a little while. Ask any other questions for further clarification.

Greg

Correct :thumbup:

Yeah, I'm getting there then :-)

DSP is the Professional Sound System - Option 0677 ?

I dont have that - I only have Business RDS (0661), with Changer (0672) & Nav (0609 (?))

So I (may) need an amp too ? - Where to get one of those - how to determine if i need one ??


Regards,

UCrewX5,

Which ULF box did you install ? (bmw part no)..

Thanks,

Yes, DSP (Digital sound processing) gives you an extra subwoofer, and adjustable equalization. UCrewX5 can tell you about the amp. He had to install one.

Thanks,

Will get onto UCrewX5 then ;-) Thanks again for the patience ..

Best Regards,

The amp used was an ELK800 INFORMATION LINK

My BMW ULF part number is 84 21 6 945 387

As SG indicated, the purpose of the AdvancedAutovations kit is to provide the necessary wiring adaptors that allow you to install the BMW bluetooth system into older BMW's. The production date on my X5 is 09/00 and my BT system works flawlessly - and it is the BMW BT system, not some aftermarket system.

Just to let everyone know, I did manage to get bmw retrofit the car with bluetooth, it required an adapter, also from bmw, but then everyting just worked. got a rev.10 ULF box in the installation. sweet :-)

Now the rev.10 box is for sale as I've upgraded to a rev.13 box for iPhone compatibility.. Theres no snapin adapter available for iPhone 3g - unfortunately... but thats also the only missing thing...

/Henrik

Supposedly there is a iPhone 3G snap-in that is coming any day now. I believe that it is part number 84.21-2 151 038.

I Want to buy a MKIV - Any sood sources ?? Prefer inside EEC..

Also got a thread here for this: http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...mputer-x5.html


Regards

Henrik