Need some opinion on this engine. Am I screwed?

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by sunny5280

I think it's too early to say this. The op only posted late Thursday night so it's only been a little over two days. Two days which the OP may be spending working on his engine(s)

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by sunny5280

I'm not a mechanic but one thing I do know is water should not ever be inside an engines cylinder. I watched the video and it wasn't just clear water that came out. It was brown...suggesting it had been there for quite some time.

Assuming the water was not a result of something the OP did (or did not do) then it was sold that way and if I were the buyer I would demand a refund. I wouldn't waste my time with it further.

I also watched the video and of course water should not be in a cylinder. For whatever reason seller has said can't return engine. And, since no one knows why there is water in #3 or if there is any water in the pan, some basic troubleshooting is in order if only to show seller the problem is more serious that he thinks it is.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

There has been no response since the original post by White46.

There has been no mention about what was wrong with other engine even if there was one, no mention of a knocking sound or even if it is available. We don't know if it was shipped, we don't know how adamant seller was it is not his problem.

I've worked with engines that looked worse than this 4.6 inside. Cleaned them up, dropped them in, squirted a little oil in each cylinder, fired them up and not a problem. If I were seller I wouldn't take the engine back yet, regardless of the warranty, not enough information to know if the water has caused a problem.

The sky is cloudy, it has not fallen.

If people would just read the entire thread, this was posted in his first post (link to his thread on buying the X5)

Originally Posted by white46

So...
Yesterday, 03 4.6is with 150000km just came up on craigslist without any pictures.
The owner was saying the car is somewhat drivable, but there is loud engine knock, hence will take any reasonable offer.

As soon as I saw it, yeah.. chain guide is gone... will cost 4-5k to fix and probably owner doesn't what to spend too much money onto it as these cars are money pig if you don't know how to fix yourself.

Anyhow I drove by and it was silver exterior with imola red interior! Body was little dirty but was in good shape. No rust, nothing biggie.
Generally speaking, interior needs alot of love.. I mean really need some LOVE, but nothing has been ripped or burnt, etc..

Grabbed the VIN and found it has every single options except 4 axle air sus.

Hesitated little since with the loud knock, I cannot really test drive it and I didn't want to snap the chain which will cause more damage.

I asked him how much he will take... he told me 1k will do.
Huh?? 1k? Heck, I can sell front/rear and running board and that will make up 1k. ha...

So... I offered him $800.... and... bought the car.

Plan is to revive this car and in the end, sell my current 02 X5 3L.


Here is option sheet.

Vehicle information


Type code FB93

Type X5 4.6IS (USA)

Dev. series E53 ()

Line X

Body type GEFZG

Steering LL

Door count 5

Engine M62/TU

Cubical capacity 4.60

Power 255

Transmision ALLR

Gearbox AUT

Colour TITANSILBER METALLIC (354)

Upholstery TEILLEDER W.N./IMOLAROT (N5IM)

Prod. date 2003-02-26




Order options
No. Description
205 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

328 ALUMINIUM RUNNING BOARD SILL

342 TITAN LINE INTERIOR

386 ROOF RAIL

403 GLAS ROOF, ELECTRIC

417 ROLLER SUNBLIND, REAR SIDE WINDOWS

430 INT/EXT RR VW MIRROR W AUT ANTI-DAZZLE

441 SMOKERS PACKAGE

464 SKIBAG

496 SEAT HEATING FOR REAR SEATS

508 PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC)

521 RAIN SENSOR

548 SPEEDOMETER WITH KILOMETER READING

609 NAVIGATION SYSTEM PROFESSIONAL

620 VOICE INPUT SYSTEM

672 CD CHANGER BMW FOR 6 CDS

677 HIFI SYSTEM PROFESSIONAL

691 CD HOLDER

761 INDIVIDUAL SUN PROTECTION GLAZING

818 MAIN BATTERY SWITCH

838 CANADIAN VERSION

896 DAYTIME LIGHTS FUNCTION




Series options
No. Description
216 SERVOTRONIC

220 SELF-LEVELING SUSPENSION

226 SPORTS SUSPENSION SETTINGS

249 MULTI-FUNCTION FOR STEERING WHEEL

255 SPORTS LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

302 ALARM SYSTEM

321 EXTERIOR PARTS IN BODY COLOR

354 GREEN STRIPE WINDSCREEN

459 SEAT ADJUSTM., ELECTR. W. MEMORY

473 ARMREST, FRONT

481 SPORT SEATS F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

488 LUMBAR SUPPORT DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

494 SEAT HEATING F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

502 HEADLIGHT WASHER SYSTEM

522 XENON LIGHT

533 AIR CONDITIONING FOR REAR

534 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING

640 CAR TELEPHONE PREPARATION

645 RADIO CONTROL US

775 INDIVIDUAL ROOF-LINING ANTHRACITE

785 WHITE DIRECTION INDICATOR LIGHTS

840 HIGH SPEED SYNCHRONISATION

845 ACOUSTIC BELT WARNING

853 LANGUAGE VERSION ENGLISH

876 RADIO FREQUENCY 315 MHZ

992 NUMBER PLATE ATTACHEMENT MANAGEMENT

[bcredliner]

I missed the link to the old thread, my mistake, stand corrected.

[sunny5280]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

I also watched the video and of course water should not be in a cylinder. For whatever reason seller has said can't return engine. And, since no one knows why there is water in #3 or if there is any water in the pan, some basic troubleshooting is in order if only to show seller the problem is more serious that he thinks it is.

The OP said"

"...I tried to contact seller but the engine only has 30 day warranty."

Water in the engine is not a warranty issue.

[Joshdub]

You're right, it's not a warranty issue, it's a items not as described issue.

[TiAgX5]

Did the seller have a "running condition" warranty in the for sale ad?

If there was no "running condition" warranty, and the seller only stated something along the lines of "was running when vehicle was totaled/scraped/salvaged, that would be considered "puffing" from a legal standpoint.

The bottom line here, If you expect a running engine, get it in writing/under warranty. If it's a short term warranty (30 day in this case), purchase motor when the vehicle is ready for the install, or purchase and have seller "hold" until contacted to ship (this "stop" the warranty clock until purchaser is ready to verify condition).

ANY respectable person selling a motor with water in it (undisclosed in sale ad) would take it back and refund. Too many shady people selling garbage automotive parts online.

[white46]

Sorry guys for taking so long getting back.
I was Thanksgiving day weekend in Canada, and I was out of town.
Also I am middle of perusing other career so that gives me more headache than this engine issue I'm having.

Everyone has valid points and directions I should take. Thank you for spending time with valid inputs.
Having said that, as much as I want this car running, I'm tired of it as well. All this should have been done couple months ago.

Here is what is happening in brief summary.

1. Old engine is not usable. I suspect block is bad.
More info on, http://www.xoutpost.com/1082146-post22.html

2. Seller is somewhat cooperative, but in the end, I don't think I can return the engine and get refund. Also I've paid the engine with cash (to save tax but very bad decision. kicking myself...) so no such credit card dispute I can do.

3. Seller is telling me that crank the engine to get all the water out and it should be fine.

4. BTW, seller (the person I've dealt with) is on vacation until Oct 22. which I knew before. He isn't trying to run away from me.

5. What I know is Cyl 1-8 are clean except 3 with water. No water was fond on lower oil pan. No water was found when valve cover was removed.

6. when we hand crank the engine, there is some resistance at certain point and it's difficult to make full revolution. Not sure it's due to corrosion on piston or bore, or just fighting compression with water in.

7. what I would like to do is, get all the water out first and do hand crank compression test, then hook up starter then compression test again.

8. if numbers are good from #7, then install the engine.

As much as I would like to remove head and do visual inspection on bank 1, there isn't much space nor time with it anymore...




As for warranty statement,
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1. Engines are guaranteed to be in good operating condition with reasonable limits of specifications for 30 days* as stated by the seller (i.e., oil pressure, compression and oil consumption). Only the crankshaft, block, heads and valve train are covered under this guarantee. Accessories such as water pump,.................
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Obviously engine was not in "guaranteed to be in good operating condition" when I received it but it's beyond 30 day mark. It was more like DOA and how this implies to my case...

[bcredliner]

Number 7 is a good plan.

[jcp240z]

You can also fill the motor coolant system, plug the holes and do a pressure, leak test.