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Well, this isn't exactly true. The app *will* show lights and turn signal data from the LCM on the image. So the LCM communicates. But something will not allow messages to pass through to the MID. I cannot program my MID functions. My time and date will not update. I cannot program the light functions, comfort blink, or any of that. I cannot set DRL options and control them in the app, but I can with an AutoLogic which throws no LCM errors. I do get MPG data however. Random, rt? I've even fiddled with the silly USB connection again to satisfy the folks with the app. The error I am getting is 'No communication from control unit'. Even though the app offers the error, the folks who offer the app have essentially shrugged their shoulders. Of course, getting ANYONE to look into this silly USB and Android radio app is an exercise in futility. - even an Indy who's become a friend over the past 20 years.
I've done some reading about how messages travel along the bus. Different priority messages get different priority along the bus. Also as above, it seems like the application may not be sending at the same priority as the EHC and other sensors. So, as part of what I am going to ask that they try, I *will* find this wire from the LCM and tap directly in. This will prevent the lengthy, noisy voyage from the LCM, back to the back of the car, then up to the radio- 5 feet from where it started. It *should* avoid a *ton* of noise as it shortens the 'commute' along the bus by a ton. But it's all theoretical for now. I just know that I am having a weird error that the app folks cant figure out and the Indy will not ever need to find the answer again. So it's up to threads like this to whack-a-mole the problem till it goes away.
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The drawback with this method is everything MUST be compliant. Any one device that misbehaves can take out the entire bus rendering all devices dead. Random misbehaving will result in certain data loss but might not be enough to take out the entire system. This will result in some data being passed successfully and some being lost. It can be random or in your case just certain things not working. The normal method to test this is to remove the offending device from the bus. If you unplug it and things work flawless you found your culprit. Location on the bus doesn't really matter "signal wise" but you can effect what is seen on the bus and what data gets to the bus controller. So if a device at the middle of the bus is chattering there is a chance a device closer to the controller might get more data to the controller non corrupted vs being after the bad device. But the real solution is to fix the bad device to have a healthy bus. Also if a device is designed to spew data/errors when it has an issue onto the bus it can overwhelm a lower priority level device on the bus.
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Protocol of the I-bus
In BMW vehicles, the protocol for communicating the individual ECUs in the networks is structured according to the following scheme: Source ID Identification of the participant who wants to send a message to another BUS user Length Length of the complete message (without source ID and length itself) Destination ID Identification of the participant to whom the message is sent Data payload the message XOR CRC Checksum The checksum is used to verify the message. The recipient of the message calculates the checksum and compares it with the one contained in the message. Now with this packet you can kind of get the idea how this can go sooooo totally wrong if any part of this pattern isnt followed fully. Some other possibly helpful info I ran across. Addresses of the bus participants in the I-bus In the network, each participant is identified by an ID (address), the length is one byte each. ID (Hex) Name of the participant comment 00 General News (1) 18 CD changer Address of the MP3 player 30 SES (voice input) 3B video module 3F DIS external diagnostic system 43 Menu screen on-board monitor 50 steering wheel buttons Left side 60 Parking system PDC 68 radio 6A DSP (sound processor) 7F GPS module 80 Instrument cluster IKE A8 Unknown BB TV module (in video module) BF Light control module LCM C0 Multi-information display MID not installed C8 phone D0 navigation data E7 Text line in instrument cluster E8 Unknown ED Memory seats F0 Buttons on-board monitor FF General News (2) The following explains why the dsp quits when the factory head unit is replaced by an aftermarket radio. Quote:
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My thoughts are mixed. I know Crowz has had no problems at all with his but Rolf Resler knows more about the BMW iBus than any of us and he is saying it has issues tapped there, I can only believe him. I would love to hear more from him on those connections.
3.3 Connection to the MID plug (NO RECOMMENDATION !!!!) 3.4 Connection to the blue connector of the on-board monitor (NO RECOMMENDATION !!!!)
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Mine has been flawless. No issues at all with it. If my wife cant mess it up since she got it from me that's about as severe of use as it gets
But as mentioned you can always wire it differently later and my method takes two seconds to install.
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Anyway. I am *looking* for the noisy thing that's breaking the fun for everyone, but nothing sees an error. *Sometimes* I get the accumulator error, clear it, and then it comes back. I'm anxious as hell to find out if wiring it closer to the LCM changes the behavior.
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Since I haven’t installed mine yet and the harness already tapped into the radio plug from AVIN I will just extend those wires during my install.
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Is the Avin set up to use the interface and is already tapped in to the harness? If it is, I'd say use that and see how it works. I'm only planning on the LCM connection to satisfy a curiosity and address a functional issue. If I got an Avin, and it's supposed to work the way they provide it, I'd hit that first. Unless I have the wrong idea of how it's designed.
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