Clackity-clack on cold start-up

[jaypete1]

2000 4.4 with 125K. Sometimes, not always, I get a lot of clackity-clack lifter noise on cold start-up. My indy says don't worry, it's just the oil pick-up delay. My Hungarian mechanic friend says it's because my indy used a non-OEM oil filter last change which does not have the little gizmo that prevents all of the oil from draining down into the lower pan. Opinions on who is correct?

[jaypete1]

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[Weasel]

The filter is just a cartridge that had no valving, but it could also be noise from the vanos. Likely the best way to get to the bottom of the noise is to get away from the guesses of indys that don't know all the ins and outs of BMW systems and bring it to the dealer for proper diagnosis. At least the techs there are trained on the BMW specific systems and have all the resources/special tools for isolating and diagnosing the weird problems.

[01 BMW_X5]

I saw the trick of using a smaller oil filter(NOT cartridge) to reduce lifter noise on start up.
Would be cheaper to first try the OEM route to disprove your Hungarian mechanic friend.

Like Weasel said could be vanos related

[Vonbimmer]

Ah, another time that vanos can add noise and irritation to my life :-) My M3 had a similar issue, but it didn't go away once the engine ran for 2 seconds. I have a great aftermarket warranty that has been a life saver so I think I'll roll this one out on the dealership and see what they make of it.

[Dygital]

Originally Posted by Vonbimmer

Ah, another time that vanos can add noise and irritation to my life :-) My M3 had a similar issue, but it didn't go away once the engine ran for 2 seconds. I have a great aftermarket warranty that has been a life saver so I think I'll roll this one out on the dealership and see what they make of it.

Who is this aftermarket warranty company and why do you think they're grrrreat?

[zigzag]

whats the name of aftermarket warranty?

[JT///MC]

my 2001 740i (same engine as your 4.4 - M62TU) started having the same problem at 135k. My friend who's a BMW Tech says that its normal with that engine at the age/mileage. Its just a slight loss in pressure seal in the engine somewhere so the valves are low of oil at startup. If it goes away in 1-2 secs then its normal and should not be bad. I usually get this after it sits 12-24 hrs.

[WolfX5]

Jaypete1, your Hungarian friend is correct. The use of non-OEM filters ABSOLUTELY causes this cold-start metal-on-metal contact for the first 10 seconds or so which results in the noise you've described. I've posted on this before, it's simply not worth any monetary savings by going with non-BMW branded oil filters. I also recommend BMW-only fluids for the cooling system and transmission at a minimum. Good luck!

Hey Dygital - you stole my favorite picture that I use as my desktop background ;-)

[NyMench]

Switch to heaver oil....the valves need a certain weight to pump up at first. Not uncommon, my 540ith 200K does it for the first few min then goes away.