Replaced DME now this...

[Cisc0]

So a while back I was having electrical gremlins with my aircon and it happened to be a screw went through the wire harness in the center console causing shortages. Went through two a/c control units and an aux fax. During this electrical shenanigans the several outputs on the DME shorted out. The indie that did the repair suggested I replaced the DME which we did with a used unit that was eventually coded to my vehicle. For the first week after the repair everything worked wonderfully with the a/c and still does but I got a SES light and been chasing what the culprit is. See my X5 does not come with a secondary MAF unit and the SES light is for that. I replaced every vaccum hose, the valve, shit even the tried the secondary air pump and nothing. SES light is still there. Well I took the vehicle to a different indie to scan the code with a GT1 and it came back as Secondary MAF sensor again, but this time we did more investigation and it looks like the DME that was used as a replacement was not properly coded. The DME used is from a 2005 X5 therefore is searching for this Secondary MAF that my year did not have.

My question is: Is the indie that did the RR on the DME liable for this f*ck up without they charging me?

I know the answer is yes, but this fool wants to charge me $200 to update the software on the vehicle because he claims is a software issue. Isn't this a simple coding fix?

[TwinsPoppa]

Well, it depends on the actual issue.

If the actual incorrect DME was installed and supplied by him, then he needs to correct the situation at no cost. No matter if its a hardware or software fix. If he is now saying its coded wrong and can be re-coded, then why should you have to pay for something he should have got correct in the first place?

If you supplied the hardware and he provided coding, then it depends. If it will only work correctly by supplying the correct hardware then its on you. If its a matter of simple coding, which you're intimating, then maybe you can try and make the case that he should have known to code it properly. However, if you didn't point out that it was the incorrect DME in the first place then that's kinda on you. So ...

Bottom line if he can get it to work, even though its the incorrect DME, with just software changes - let him do it. As far as how much to pay, you will have to negotiate it with him depending on who's actually at fault here. Might have to go 50/50.

Who's idea was the used DME, who actually supplied it and who installed it?

[Cisc0]

Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa

Well, it depends on the actual issue.

If the actual incorrect DME was installed and supplied by him, then he needs to correct the situation at no cost. No matter if its a hardware or software fix. If he is now saying its coded wrong and can be re-coded, then why should you have to pay for something he should have got correct in the first place?

If you supplied the hardware and he provided coding, then it depends. If it will only work correctly by supplying the correct hardware then its on you. If its a matter of simple coding, which you're intimating, then maybe you can try and make the case that he should have known to code it properly. However, if you didn't point out that it was the incorrect DME in the first place then that's kinda on you. So ...

Bottom line if he can get it to work, even though its the incorrect DME, with just software changes - let him do it. As far as how much to pay, you will have to negotiate it with him depending on who's actually at fault here. Might have to go 50/50.

Who's idea was the used DME, who actually supplied it and who installed it?

His idea to replaced the DME due to the old one being faulty and he actually sourced the used one and sourced the person to code the DME.

[TwinsPoppa]

Originally Posted by Cisc0

His idea to replaced the DME due to the old one being faulty and he actually sourced the used one and sourced the person to code the DME.

Then its all on him. How can he say its not his fault if he did all the coordination under his guidance.

Its like when I ask my mechanic to fix something. He sometimes has to buy parts from a BMW dealer, have a tire shop balance/mount tires, etc. to do repairs. He depends on others but its all under his responsibility. If the tire guys screw up he doesn't come to me and say "well, I didn't actually screwup, the tire guys did, so you have to pay extra". He'll go to the tire guys and resolve it between them - nothing to do with me.

AND you have another thing on him - he got the wrong DME in the first place. So anything related to something being wrong is all on him as if he had the correct DME it wouldn't be coded incorrectly in the first place. LOL!

[Cisc0]

Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa

Then its all on him. How can he say its not his fault if he did all the coordination under his guidance.

Its like when I ask my mechanic to fix something. He sometimes has to buy parts from a BMW dealer, have a tire shop balance/mount tires, etc. to do repairs. He depends on others but its all under his responsibility. If the tire guys screw up he doesn't come to me and say "well, I didn't actually screwup, the tire guys did, so you have to pay extra". He'll go to the tire guys and resolve it between them - nothing to do with me.

I agree with you...

Jose I've been dealing with this SES since Bimmerfest. Remember you actually scanned my vehicle and it told us it was the secondary MAF.

[TwinsPoppa]

Originally Posted by Cisc0

I agree with you...

Jose I've been dealing with this SES since Bimmerfest. Remember you actually scanned my vehicle and it told us it was the secondary MAF.

Yeah, I remember. So, the DME was already replaced at that time or no?

I just hope this guy knows what he's doing. What're you gonna do if the coding doesn't work?! That's gonna suck hard.

Is he the same one who diagnosed a bad DME as the source of your problem? I hope so. If not, two different guys might point fingers at each other and you're gonna have a hell of a time.

Yeah, just tell him:

1) HE knew the problem.
2) HE suggested the fix.
3) HE sourced the INCORRECT part.
4) HE got someone to code it - incorrectly according to HIM.

Where is the part that says YOU were involved at all?! LOL!

EDIT: BTW .. I would offer to code it for you but I have no idea what I would be doing. He might be talking about using non-GT1 software anyways that can do custom programming - like rolling windows up with the key fob, etc.

[Cisc0]

Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa

Yeah, I remember. So, the DME was already replaced at that time or no?

I just hope this guy knows what he's doing. What're you gonna do if the coding doesn't work?! That's gonna suck hard.

Is he the same one who diagnosed a bad DME as the source of your problem? I hope so. If not, two different guys might point fingers at each other and you're gonna have a hell of a time.

Yeah, just tell him:

1) HE knew the problem.
2) HE suggested the fix.
3) HE sourced the INCORRECT part.
4) HE got someone to code it - incorrectly according to HIM.

Where is the part that says YOU were involved at all?! LOL!

EDIT: BTW .. I would offer to code it for you but I have no idea what I would be doing. He might be talking about using non-GT1 software anyways that can do custom programming - like rolling windows up with the key fob, etc.

Yeah at that time when you scanned it the DME had been replaced already. He is not the guy who diagnosed it and noticed that bad coding on the new (to the vehicle) DME. The guy that diagnosed it says he can try and update the software and see if that solves the problem, but for a cost. And I say, why should I pay you when the douche that did it the first time should respond for their mistake. But the douche is saying that it is a 200 charge when it should be zero charge. I'm gonna end up punching this dude.

[TwinsPoppa]

Originally Posted by Cisc0

Yeah at that time when you scanned it the DME had been replaced already. He is not the guy who diagnosed it and noticed that bad coding on the new (to the vehicle) DME. The guy that diagnosed it says he can try and update the software and see if that solves the problem, but for a cost. And I say, why should I pay you when the douche that did it the first time should respond for their mistake. But the douche is saying that it is a 200 charge when it should be zero charge. I'm gonna end up punching this dude.

Hmm, let me see if I got this straight. You had it diagnosed by two separate people right?

First time, Guy A, says:
-its the DME, sources it, got it coded and all was fine.

Second time, Guy B, notices the SES is because of the incorrect coding on the incorrect DME.

You go back to Guy A, tell him the problem, now he wants more money?

Or am I getting it wrong. I assume above because you said "He is not the guy who diagnosed it and noticed that bad coding on the new (to the vehicle) DME. The guy that diagnosed it says he can try and update the software and see if that solves the problem, but for a cost. And I say, why should I pay you when the douche that did it the first time should respond for their mistake.

But the last part is confusing me.

[Cisc0]

Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa

Hmm, let me see if I got this straight. You had it diagnosed by two separate people right?

First time, Guy A, says:
-its the DME, sources it, got it coded and all was fine.

Second time, Guy B, notices the SES is because of the incorrect coding on the incorrect DME.

You go back to Guy A, tell him the problem, now he wants more money?

Or am I getting it wrong. I assume above because you said "He is not the guy who diagnosed it and noticed that bad coding on the new (to the vehicle) DME. The guy that diagnosed it says he can try and update the software and see if that solves the problem, but for a cost. And I say, why should I pay you when the douche that did it the first time should respond for their mistake.

But the last part is confusing me.

Correct. Guy A: did the RR and diagnosis and recoding of used DME

Guy B: scanned the code and noticed the mis-coding of the DME

Guy A: wants more moolah to fix his botch job

Guy B: says he can try and reflash but it will cost.

Guy A: is at fault and should do all work for free because he did everything to begin with.

[TwinsPoppa]

Originally Posted by Cisc0

Correct. Guy A: did the RR and diagnosis and recoding of used DME

Guy B: scanned the code and noticed the mis-coding of the DME

Guy A: wants more moolah to fix his botch job

Guy B: says he can try and reflash but it will cost.

Guy A: is at fault and should do all work for free because he did everything to begin with.

Yeah, forget Guy B. Go straight to Guy A and let him fix his mistake because otherwise it will be a pointing game.

Only potential problem I see is if Guy A says to you "No. That's not the problem. Its something else"