More MPG whit Hydrogen power ?

[T.Yazar]

Hi guys

The hydrogen-power system is more popular in the states then it is in Europe has anyone of u had this system installed ?

- what are the costs

- pro's & Con's ?

- is it hard to do it your self or get the parts to Europe


or is it a big internet gossip ?

[nate13]

Gossip.

[motordavid]

There are dozens of sites on the net selling these 'systems', but very little real info behind any of the sites, and no MSDS sheets for some that use 'Hydro Boost' additives, et al.

Look like the ol'water injection deal, from the '60s...

I cannot see any 'Pro' or advantage to using it in a street X. If one wants better mpg, a 5,000+ awd car is not the base to pivot off from, in seeking better 'mileage', imo.
GL, mD

[bcredliner]

Interest in Hydrogen power is largely no emissions.

Hydrogen provides the same energy as fuel with about twice the efficiency.

US prototypes are combined with an electric motor to generate the mileage improvements that you hear tossed about.

The cost of hydrogen, the system even with tax breaks, the storage and on road availability has a long way to go to be cost effective in the US. Depending on the cost of fuel verses cost of Hydrogen and on road availability is a cost/benefit calculation that should be done area specific.

[JCL]

Two different themes here IMO.

Hydrogen powered vehicles, ie the BMW Hydrogen 7, are one area. Hydrogen burns clean. Only problem is, it isn't fair to consider it as a fuel IMO. We don't have fields of hydrogen to tap into. So, we produce hydrogen in many ways (natural gas, electrical power, etc), but in all cases, it would be better to use the original energy source (NG, LNG, elec) rather than converting it to hydrogen and storing it that way. There is an efficiency loss at each step which means that it is simply inefficient to burn hydrogen in an internal combustion engine. Until we have large scale solar power production (one example), hydrogen is better thought of as a battery technology than a fuel technology.

The second theme is the addition of hydrogen produced via electrolysis to enhance the combustion process of a gasoline or diesel engine. Usually done to try and improve power, emissions, or fuel efficiency. This is perhaps what the OP meant, given the comment about DIY. This one is easy. It is all crap. It violates the widely accepted laws of thermodynamics (promoters say those laws don't apply to them, similar to the perpetual motion promoters). Internet gossip and scams.

[TerminatorX5]

back in the school time, i did electrolysis and pulled H2 and O2 from water... little i knew that the obtained mix of H2 and O2 and the correct proportions is a highly flammable... no, not flammable... explosive... yeah, explosive combination... well.. me and my partner in crime found out really fast - good thing we had the eye protection!!! hahahaha...

[bcredliner]

My post was my take on hydrogen/electric prototypes, how short the technology is to practical application.

As far as hydrogen 'generator' that I Agee, op is considering---no value.

There have been successful applications of water injection that have increased engine performance with side benefit of cleaner engine but not for improved mileage.

Methanol injection system such as offered by snow performance, which is a 50/50 mix of methanol and water, claims system will increase mileage but it is mostly performance focused. I have had their stage 3 system installed for over a year. I have long history of pre system mileage. I kept track of mileage on a 2000 trip. X was loaded to the gills. That test showed 1.5 mileage increase. I haven't verified that was accurate, that is not why I have it but that was the actual dif for me. Might be something to try. Engine will run cooler, get cleaner and since it increases the effective octane op could purchase lower cost less octane fuel unless already doing so.