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[split71]

Originally Posted by josiahg52

I will never drive ANY vehicle with a piggyback magic black box.

You said they "suck", why?

[ard]

Originally Posted by split71

You said they "suck", why?

Asked and answered, no?

Why not just google it yourself?

You will find technical points on their drawbacks, lots of sales blather saying they are great, then lots of owners that like them and a few owners that have had problems and some disasters.

Then draw your own conclusion.

Do you think if you keep asking, this single thread will become a complete repository on the topic????????

[alsalsa]

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[josiahg52]

Originally Posted by split71

You said they "suck", why?

Because they're a hack and that's putting it kindly. Insisting they are anything resembling a proper tune or the correct way to achieve additional power and torque is a delusion.

Originally Posted by alsalsa

2) Purchase a . . . Tool from Active Autowerke and install the software yourself. Very useful if additional software upgrades are needed in the future.

Unfortunately, this is not an option for X5d owners.

Originally Posted by alsalsa

3)Remove and mail Active Autowerke your ECU and we will install the software.

This is the only option and that's why those magic black boxes are so popular.

[split71]

Originally Posted by ard

Asked and answered, no?

Why not just google it yourself?

You will find technical points on their drawbacks, lots of sales blather saying they are great, then lots of owners that like them and a few owners that have had problems and some disasters.

Then draw your own conclusion.

Do you think if you keep asking, this single thread will become a complete repository on the topic????????

He didn't answer, hence my second question. I know all about the PB's and tunes. I had/have tunes on both my former M5 and Z06 9 (among many previous cars). Additionally, I've worked with tuners as a beta tester.

The PB's seem to work well on the diesels. To globally say they "suck" and not explain why, doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[split71]

Originally Posted by josiahg52

Because they're a hack and that's putting it kindly. Insisting they are anything resembling a proper tune or the correct way to achieve additional power and torque is a delusion.

Thanks for the response. I don't think anyone has "insisted" that they resemble a proper tune as they obviously don't. As you stated, not many options for the X5d. I'm not a big fan of PB's but it does make a nice improvement on the X5.

I have a question; have you driven an X5d with a PB device?

[bawareca]

Originally Posted by split71

Thanks for the response. I don't think anyone has "insisted" that they resemble a proper tune as they obviously don't. As you stated, not many options for the X5d. I'm not a big fan of PB's but it does make a nice improvement on the X5.

I have a question; have you driven an X5d with a PB device?

They work as intended and increase the power, fact no one would argue with. The unknown factor is how much long term "damage" PB will cause to the subsystems EGR, DPF, intake, etc which are extremely picky even under the factory computer control.
As a matter of fact I would not think twice to install PB on a gas engine, but wouldnt do that on my diesel if i have the intention to keep it for long time.

[josiahg52]

Originally Posted by split71

Thanks for the response. I don't think anyone has "insisted" that they resemble a proper tune as they obviously don't. As you stated, not many options for the X5d. I'm not a big fan of PB's but it does make a nice improvement on the X5.

I have a question; have you driven an X5d with a PB device?

Originally Posted by josiahg52

I will never drive ANY vehicle with a piggyback magic black box.

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