E70 N62 Rocker Arm Fallen

[e70jane]

Been chasing a hesitation problem for the past 6 months. Multiple CAN faults and cel are present. Stealership replaced negative battery cable and ibs but no difference. Searched all over for a short but couldn't find any. Replaced alternator, pointless. Checked Vanos, all working. Replaced driver side Valvetronic actuator due to fluctuating ohms value on multimeter, wasn't the problem. Finally, what I hoped not to perform, replace eccentric shaft sensors. So today I removed the driver side valve cover and removed eccentric sensor. Nothing unusual, connector and beneath the square metal plate was free of oil. However, I discovered a fallen rocker arm. Now I'm quite confident that all along, this was the culprit! Now, how bad of a job would it be to reinstall the rocker piece?

[Toothbrush]

Rocker arm (example part# 11337530979) or intermediate lever (example part# 11378645501)?

If it's the first, I would guess super easy if you have the right tool to compress the spring valve spring. Probably nearly impossible if you don't since you can't get it back on without releasing the tension. You can rent the AGA set for ~$200, maybe get a break from someone if they know you're not going to replace the seals an only need it for 10 minutes worth of work.

If it's the lever, you just need something to pry the retainer spring up enough to slip it back on and some gentle/careful hands.

[e70jane]

Originally Posted by Toothbrush

Rocker arm (example part# 11337530979) or intermediate lever (example part# 11378645501)?

If it's the first, I would guess super easy if you have the right tool to compress the spring valve spring. Probably nearly impossible if you don't since you can't get it back on without releasing the tension. You can rent the AGA set for ~$200, maybe get a break from someone if they know you're not going to replace the seals an only need it for 10 minutes worth of work.

If it's the lever, you just need something to pry the retainer spring up enough to slip it back on and some gentle/careful hands.

The second part# is the piece that fell off.
Toothbrush, you rock man!

[e70jane]

Originally Posted by e70jane

The second part# is the piece that fell off.
Toothbrush, you rock man!

Actually, its the first part number 11337530979.

[Toothbrush]

Originally Posted by e70jane

Actually, its the first part number 11337530979.

Well, that's a downer. Maybe somebody here knows of a way to set the rocker arm back on without an expensive tool set.

I would venture to say you should check around for damage to the rocker and the camshaft. I'm assuming it was partially attached, maybe still on the lifter (part #11337516948, called 'Alignment element' in RealOEM).
If it was just bouncing around completely free, then check everything very carefully.

[e70jane]

This is the part that was bouncing around. Is this for sure not the part that could be easily put back into place by prying the retainer spring?

[Toothbrush]

Originally Posted by e70jane

This is the part that was bouncing around. Is this for sure not the part that could be easily put back into place by prying the retainer spring?

Yep, you can't just slip that one back on. That's definitely the the rocker arm/roller drag lever.

In the picture, the lower part with the opening is where the rocker sits on top of the lifter. You can see the little clip like pieces that help it sort of snap/clamp onto the top of the lifter. That part is easy to do with only your hands/fingers.

The upper part in the picture is where the rocker arm sits on top of the valve stem/valve spring. This is the part you can't put into place without compressing the valve spring. You need a tool for that, and some way to keep the valve stem from dropping into the cylinder (e.g. air compressor, rope, etc) while it's TDC.
Maybe call an indy and see how much they would charge just for that? May be cheap enough to have it towed, put the rocker back on, tow it back and then you button it all up - assuming you could find somebody to agree (shop liability/warranty policies may cause them to say no).

[e70jane]

Originally Posted by Toothbrush

Yep, you can't just slip that one back on. That's definitely the the rocker arm/roller drag lever.

In the picture, the lower part with the opening is where the rocker sits on top of the lifter. You can see the little clip like pieces that help it sort of snap/clamp onto the top of the lifter. That part is easy to do with only your hands/fingers.

The upper part in the picture is where the rocker arm sits on top of the valve stem/valve spring. This is the part you can't put into place without compressing the valve spring. You need a tool for that, and some way to keep the valve stem from dropping into the cylinder (e.g. air compressor, rope, etc) while it's TDC.
Maybe call an indy and see how much they would charge just for that? May be cheap enough to have it towed, put the rocker back on, tow it back and then you button it all up - assuming you could find somebody to agree (shop liability/warranty policies may cause them to say no).

Thank you toothbrush, you know exactly what I'm looking for. I've seen a youtube video on replacing the stem seals, which doesn't seem too difficult of a job. I do plan on fixing this on my on own, by replacing the spring and the lifter only. And yes, what I don't understand is the part where I may need to compress the cylinder. Is this really necessary? I was thinking only to compress the spring, remove the valve keepers, and swap out the spring. Not that easy right? Guess I don't know enough about engines. But push comes to shove, I wouldn't mind adding a small air compressor to my collection of tools.

One more question toothbrush, from your experience, do you think that a fallen rocker arm is the result of a hesitation problem on my truck? I've checked pretty much everything, replaced negative cable and ibs, alternator, couldn't find a short anywhere, four working vanos solenoids, replaced driver side vvt actuator due to fluctuating ohm values on the multimeter (same side fallen rocker piece discovery), but not the problem either. Then after deciding to replace the eccentric sensors was when I discovered the fallen rocker arm. The eccentric sensor looks fine too, no oil on the connector. Sorry, I know I'm repeating this over again. So I'm thinking, it's got to be this fallen rocker piece because the faults from carly indicate a PT CAN and VVT CAN fault present. Clearing the faults will eliminate the problem but only for a short drive.

[heatmizr]

How does this just fall off ??

[ard]

So e31bev = e70jane?

I have seen ONE other example of someone misapplying the valve stem retainer clip and having similar issues.

But parts just 'falling off' inside and engine??? Would really want to understand how.