Im decided, I wont get the 07 X5

[scott27]

For those who are not impressed with sportiness of X5:

This generation of X5 (E70) was designed to be more refined - since most customers wanted so. It's more about luxury, but still one of the most sportiest SAVs around.

Of course a comparison between regular X5 & performance version X5 ("is") is not fair. It's like comparing regular 3er with M3.

So, for all off you who lust for performance, sportiness & individual design BMW will offer something special in the near future: X6. A sports activity coupe. Dynamic coupeish design, driving position like in a SAV. Killer engine choices. Including X6 M variant. Of course X6 won't be a utility vehicle: less cargo space, and less headroom in the rear seats. X6 will be something special: very individual, very eye-catching, very sporty & dynamic. A very driver's car.

Btw, driving X6 vs X5 will give you a feeling X5 is a real truck. Which is actually not, but vs X6: ouch.

I bet you will end up buying 2 cars: X5 for your spouse (for driving kids, pets, grocery, & grandma around), and X6 for you - for commanding driving pleasure.

[Jsuit]

Originally Posted by scott27

For those who are not impressed with sportiness of X5:

This generation of X5 (E70) was designed to be more refined - since most customers wanted so. It's more about luxury, but still one of the most sportiest SAVs around.

Of course a comparison between regular X5 & performance version X5 ("is") is not fair. It's like comparing regular 3er with M3.

So, for all off you who lust for performance, sportiness & individual design BMW will offer something special in the near future: X6. A sports activity coupe. Dynamic coupeish design, driving position like in a SAV. Killer engine choices. Including X6 M variant. Of course X6 won't be a utility vehicle: less cargo space, and less headroom in the rear seats. X6 will be something special: very individual, very eye-catching, very sporty & dynamic. A very driver's car.

Btw, driving X6 vs X5 will give you a feeling X5 is a real truck. Which is actually not, but vs X6: ouch.

I bet you will end up buying 2 cars: X5 for your spouse (for driving kids, pets, grocery, & grandma around), and X6 for you - for commanding driving pleasure.

The future X6 pics look rediculous (IMO), I imagine their are quite a few of us who will use the X5 as our daily driver and have other cars for performance driving.

To me it seems like the E70 is a nice balance of adequate performance with a nice level of room and utility. The X6 (extremeness) I think will miss the mark, unless the New X6 is just stunning in looks and performance.

A couple of years ago I was invited the factory to drive the New (at the time) 645i, as well as all the variants of the other models on the track. We were invited as part of the 8 (E31) owners 8-Fest event (I had an 850CSi at the time), The idea was that they could convert 8 series owners to the new 6. The overwhelming opinion was that while it was fun to drive, it looked rediculous next to the E31s.

My only point is that unless the new X6 is just awesome in both looks and performance it will have trouble converting people who have other options like Audi's RS and S cars.

[scott27]

Originally Posted by Jsuit

The future X6 pics look rediculous (IMO), I imagine their are quite a few of us who will use the X5 as our daily driver and have other cars for performance driving.

To me it seems like the E70 is a nice balance of adequate performance with a nice level of room and utility. The X6 (extremeness) I think will miss the mark, unless the New X6 is just stunning in looks and performance.

A couple of years ago I was invited the factory to drive the New (at the time) 645i, as well as all the variants of the other models on the track. We were invited as part of the 8 (E31) owners 8-Fest event (I had an 850CSi at the time), The idea was that they could convert 8 series owners to the new 6. The overwhelming opinion was that while it was fun to drive, it looked rediculous next to the E31s.

My only point is that unless the new X6 is just awesome in both looks and performance it will have trouble converting people who have other options like Audi's RS and S cars.

X6 will be awsome in looks & performance. Don't be fooled by a funny camouflage the prototypes are wearing right now.

Btw, X6 will fight ML AMG, Porsche Cayenne, Q7 S etc. It will still have SAV -like raised driving position. It will be no sedan or coupe competitor. It will steal sales from other performance SAVs. And also addressing customers who want qualities of their eg. RangeRover & MB CLK in a single car.

If you want a sporty X5 wait till M-package arrives, or later a performance version of X5. But there will be no X5 M. Only X6 will get M treatment.

Also: the next generation of X3 will also be much sportier, much more up-scale, and less boxy!

[vinuneuro]

Originally Posted by scott27

X6 will be awsome in looks & performance. Don't be fooled by a funny camouflage the prototypes are wearing right now.

Btw, X6 will fight ML AMG, Porsche Cayenne, Q7 S etc. It will still have SAV -like raised driving position. It will be no sedan or coupe competitor. It will steal sales from other performance SAVs. And also addressing customers who want qualities of their eg. RangeRover & MB CLK in a single car.

If you want a sporty X5 wait till M-package arrives, or later a performance version of X5. But there will be no X5 M. Only X6 will get M treatment.

Also: the next generation of X3 will also be much sportier, much more up-scale, and less boxy!

Will North America get the X5 M-package?

[cmyX6go]

Originally Posted by scott27

So, for all off you who lust for performance, sportiness & individual design BMW will offer something special in the near future: X6. A sports activity coupe. Dynamic coupeish design, driving position like in a SAV. Killer engine choices. Including X6 M variant. Of course X6 won't be a utility vehicle: less cargo space, and less headroom in the rear seats. X6 will be something special: very individual, very eye-catching, very sporty & dynamic. A very driver's car.

Btw, driving X6 vs X5 will give you a feeling X5 is a real truck. Which is actually not, but vs X6: ouch.

I bet you will end up buying 2 cars: X5 for your spouse (for driving kids, pets, grocery, & grandma around), and X6 for you - for commanding driving pleasure.

I was at the dealer again this morning. The more I look at the E70, I'm more convinced that it will not grow on me.
Bring on the X6. Are they talking MY'08 release? My lease is up Jan '08 I can see it now, I'm going to be the test dummy for the first X6 off the line. I swore I'd never do that again.

[vroom9]

I'd be careful about the Mercedes M-class. Consumer Reports have them all listed as being "unreliable". I considered an M-class, really like the interior, but going on-line and visiting Mercedes forums and blogs, I found a lot of people complaining about fit & finish quality issues, but more importantly, serious issues with the transmissions.

[Jsuit]

Originally Posted by scott27

X6 will be awsome in looks & performance. Don't be fooled by a funny camouflage the prototypes are wearing right now.

Btw, X6 will fight ML AMG, Porsche Cayenne, Q7 S etc. It will still have SAV -like raised driving position. It will be no sedan or coupe competitor. It will steal sales from other performance SAVs. And also addressing customers who want qualities of their eg. RangeRover & MB CLK in a single car.

If you want a sporty X5 wait till M-package arrives, or later a performance version of X5. But there will be no X5 M. Only X6 will get M treatment.

Also: the next generation of X3 will also be much sportier, much more up-scale, and less boxy!

I hope so, I want to love BMW again.

[mrmomoman]

Umm AMG what? Someone spank some styling sense into Mercedes on this one. They have some beautifully designed vehicles but ML=TURD BUCKET.

Why would you want to put a diamond bezel on a SWATCH WATCH?

[v10rick]

Originally Posted by vroom9

I'd be careful about the Mercedes M-class. Consumer Reports have them all listed as being "unreliable". I considered an M-class, really like the interior, but going on-line and visiting Mercedes forums and blogs, I found a lot of people complaining about fit & finish quality issues, but more importantly, serious issues with the transmissions.

From personal experience I agree with this statement. Fit and finish is one thing but an engine that consumes almost as much oil as fuel is unacceptable.

If you check the forums some unfortunate owners had multiple engine and AT transmissions replaced. BTW the SLK engine/transmission combo are used in other models as well.

The threat of voiding the warranty if MB does not perform the scheduled maintenance is another issue. The 1st scheduled maintenance was $450 for nothing more than an oil change and diagnostic check.

MB

[bmwl]

Scott , its there any chance that USA vill get M-package for E-70?