Goodbye E70 :(

[Cairns]

I really don't like the Cayenne. I'm a Porsche sports car owner, longtime PCA driving instructor and somewhat of a "purist" when it comes to what I think Porsche should build. IMO the Cayenne is an ugly, overpriced, problem plagued VW that is more of a failure than the company will ever admit. I own an X5 e53 (4.4 with sport) and think it provides far better value the Cayenne. And I will no doubt buy an e70 when the time is right.

But... having driven both the new and older versions of Cayenne and X (the latter back to back on our local track- Summit Point- and extensively on a skidpad), I find it impossible to believe that any x5 (save a 4.6 or 4.8) would "dust" a Cayenne S. IMO the Cayenne is decidedly quicker- both in corners and on a straight line. I suspect that back to back the new Cayenne is that much quicker still (hey they had to do something to move the things).

Therefore I have to question the veracity and maturity level of anyone who says they "dusted" a Cayenne by doing what is essentially racing on a public road.

How do you know the other driver just didn't exercise a bit of common sense and back off? And WTF are you doing trying to "dust" anyone a public road anyway? In a freaking SUV for crying out loud?

I don't like hearing crap like this. If you want to race get a sports car and learn how to drive it on a race track.

[HyperX]

US quality? I dunno. My 2003 M5 (German made) is in the shop so often that the mechanic and I have become good friends. The NAV has been replaced 4 times now. You do not buy a BWM for reliability, because it sucks for most part. My m5 is my fun driver (along side my new C6 Vette). My daily driver is a Toyota (Japanese made 4runner).

[AeroG]

Originally Posted by Cairns

I really don't like the Cayenne. I'm a Porsche sports car owner, longtime PCA driving instructor and somewhat of a "purist" when it comes to what I think Porsche should build. IMO the Cayenne is an ugly, overpriced, problem plagued VW that is more of a failure than the company will ever admit. I own an X5 e53 (4.4 with sport) and think it provides far better value the Cayenne. And I will no doubt buy an e70 when the time is right.

But... having driven both the new and older versions of Cayenne and X (the latter back to back on our local track- Summit Point- and extensively on a skidpad), I find it impossible to believe that any x5 (save a 4.6 or 4.8) would "dust" a Cayenne S. IMO the Cayenne is decidedly quicker- both in corners and on a straight line. I suspect that back to back the new Cayenne is that much quicker still (hey they had to do something to move the things).

Therefore I have to question the veracity and maturity level of anyone who says they "dusted" a Cayenne by doing what is essentially racing on a public road.

How do you know the other driver just didn't exercise a bit of common sense and back off? And WTF are you doing trying to "dust" anyone a public road anyway? In a freaking SUV for crying out loud?

I don't like hearing crap like this. If you want to race get a sports car and learn how to drive it on a race track.

You are entitled to 'whatever" you wish to beleive - the Cayenne lost. The whole thing started because of his arrogance and deciding to throw trash out of his vehicle with me directly behind him. The road was clear basically the two of us. I gave him a couple of chances. My X5 is also unlimited so - SUV or not - if my equipment is order (tires, brakes, tuned) if I am given a clear opportunity to open her up on occaision I will do so.

I do know how to drive on a track and have had the opportunity to drive Porsche's you yourself have probably not had a chance to drive i.e. 959, Kremer, Ruf, Andial and various other's due to having a relationship with the dealership - that does the highest volume of Porsches sales in the "World'.

So save the soapbox routine, and stay in the right lane at 53.5 mph.

[Cairns]

Well you certainly proved your maturity level, didn't you? The Cayenne Driver threw trash and you "won".

The you cite a bunch of tuners and cars (only some of whom are only peripherally associated with Champion- the dealership with whom you claim to be related) rather than actually cite driving experience (NASA, SCCA, BMW or Porsche Club racing perhaps?), schools attended (Panoz, PDE, Barber?) or licenses earned (SCCA, Porsche/Audi/ BMW NDI?).

Thanks for proving me right.

[AeroG]

Originally Posted by Cairns

Well you certainly proved your maturity level, didn't you? The Cayenne Driver threw trash and you "won".

The you cite a bunch of tuners and cars (only some of whom are only peripherally associated with Champion- the dealership with whom you claim to be related) rather than actually cite driving experience (NASA, SCCA, BMW or Porsche Club racing perhaps?), schools attended (Panoz, PDE, Barber?) or licenses earned (SCCA, Porsche/Audi/ BMW NDI?).

Thanks for proving me right.

Quite the contrary, I haven't proven anything for you.

Have you driven any of vehicles I listed, on a track or otherwise?

I could, but there is no need for me to go into my driving experience - tracks, club affiliations, etc. I have stated enough. When you step down off the soap box - pick up a late model Cayenne S (pre-08 model) come on down to SoFla. and we can have a friendly run at Sebring or wherever - that would be the real proof.

Cheers

[HyperX]

Originally Posted by AeroG

Quite the contrary, I haven't proven anything for you.

Have you driven any of vehicles I listed, on a track or otherwise?

I could, but there is no need for me to go into my driving experience - tracks, club affiliations, etc. I have stated enough. When you step down off the soap box - pick up a late model Cayenne S (pre-08 model) come on down to SoFla. and we can have a friendly run at Sebring or wherever - that would be the real proof.

Cheers

you guys race SUVs? You serious? This is too funny!
Whats next? Racing minivans to soccer practice?

[X5FX]

Originally Posted by HyperX

you guys race SUVs? You serious? This is too funny!
Whats next? Racing minivans to soccer practice?

Obviously you dont drive car pool

[Cairns]

Actually I don't race anything. I may (and want) to do PCA club racing but don't currently have the budget or time. My track car is a 96 933 (not street legal). I've been doing PCA DEs for a little over ten years and am a nationally certified instructor. The most "exotic" car I've ever driven on a race track is a real 1973 Carrera RS (in March of this year). Not fast at all by current standards but wonderfully communicative and a joy to drive. I felt incredibly privileged to drive it- and actually pushed it pretty hard though I didn't intend to. The fastest car I've ever ridden in (not drive) was someone's 964 super tweaked cup car. At VIR. Sickeningly powerful- literally. I suspect it made about 700 bhp at the wheels and weighed about 2300. The fastest car I've probably ever driven is a 996 Supercup- but I didn't push it.

I sure as sh*t don't race SUVs- they're not allowed on track by PCA (or any organization I know of) due to the weight/mass difference (think what they'd do to a 914) but I have driven them at speed on the track with friends who own Cayennes and Toureags.

I deplore racing on public roads and volunteer outside PCA to help teenagers learn to drive with their mind rather than their d*cks. That said I do drive fairly fast on public roads- but no so fast as to endanger the vast majority who can't drive- or who think they can and pretend to "dust" those who piss them off. I haven't "raced" anyone on public roads since my early twenties- and never would again.

Rather than a friendly run at Sebring- come on up to Summit Point for a FATT day. Or a Zone 2 event at VIR. Neither are limited to Porsches- you can bring anything you want (but not an SUV)- and depending on your run group and how you do- we'll trade back to back to back and you can drive my car or I'd be happy to volunteer as your instructor. If you're serious I'll be at VIR in September or can meet you at Summit on any scheduled FATT day.

I would urge you- with all due respect- to drive with your mind rather than your emotions- especially in public. You didn't "win" anything- and I've never seen anyone drive faster when they're emotionally upset. Think about it.