X5 E70 Navigation Upgrade

[vinzer]

Just for the start yo need at least the following:

1. USB to K-D CAN Cable (it can be any smilar in characteristica cable, but I got exactly the one like this): New BMW INPA K+D CAN BMW INPA EDIABAS OBD2 USB Cables on eBay.ca (item 150496451110 end time 21-Oct-10 00:17:23 EDT)

2. BMW Standard Tools Software (search it on torrents) This software consist of NCS Expert, Ediabas, INPA, WinKFP and Tool32. You will need INPA, NCS Expert and Ediabas programs.

3. Laptop or normal computer with Windows XP (yes it works under Windows 7 and Windows Vista but there are many issues with that, however it worth to try too)/

4. Some free time and willing to understand how all this works.

This is for the beginning. And once all tests are done and my self education reaches the level when I can explain the stuff to the people I will make a guide on How to code simple things in your car.

Do not hesitate to ask me a questions.

[sefann]

Originally Posted by vinzer

Yes it is possible to retrofit CCC in E70 in case if it come with no nav from factory.
You will need to buy CCC navigation from ebay. Technically you need only the screen and main module (CCC module). You also will need two cables - cable to connect display and CCC module (I will tell you how you can use your original existed cable if you do not want to buy new one). Another cable is the FAN cable, but I can also tell you how to build one your self if you want.

Hello,

I have been following your inspiring trend on the x7 retrofit and I'm happy to say that I just purchased my screen and Nav from ebay and can't wait to get it in. I was wondering if you could give me instructions as to how to use existing stock cables and wires as none of the units come with any connectors. I wouldn't mind even buying them but I could not find any, or don't know what I am looking for. Finally the question about coding. should i go ahead and purchase that usb device for the coding from china? is this something dealers usually carry (probably not)? There is a gentleman named Patryk who comes highly recommended on there forums as a guy who can remotely programme the car for the nav after the install. i guess i could ask him too if I need the cable for the coding. I must say being an IT guy the idea of programming my own car sounds tempting. Thanks in advance for any help.

[vinzer]

sefann,

I assume you have X5 E70 and you was originally having MASK (small screen, not as wide as navigation one). Now you bought CCC navigation which comes in two units (wide screen + main ccc module with two CD/DVD slots on it).
You will need the following parts:
1. LVDS Cable to connect dispaly and CCC unit. BMW part number 61129195760
2. Plastic trim for the dash board in the middle. BMW part number 51456967469

The plastic trim is 100% needed. LVDS cable is needed to simplify the things however if you do not want to buy it - just use existed one. The connector for the dispaly will fit the new display. The connector for the unit will also fit the new CCC unit but you will have to cut plastic limiter on the connector. You will see it once you star to connect it.

There is also small FAN attached to the back of the CCC unit. You will have to make some small wiring there in order to let it work. I will try to find some wiring diagram how to connect that fan. I simply do not remeber that by heart. But it is not vital for the short tests, which can be done even without the fan. But just short tests.

Now once everything is connected you need to code your CCC unit and change vehicle order (VO). This can be done at the dealer or by using cable and software. Patryk - the name of the guy from the E90 board - he probably may help you with the coding. But you will have to get the cable first or maybe he can ship you one for the time of coding. You can not buy this cable anywhere at the BMW dealer.

It is not super difficult to code your car but you need to fully understand what you doing.
Do not hesitate to ask me a questions if needed.
vinzer

[sefann]

Thanks for responding. Yes your assumptions are all correct regarding my car. Thanks for the part numbers I will begin looking for them. Maybe the dealer will have it. I'm going to ask Patryk if he will send me a cable otherwise I will order one myself for the coding. Thanks man I really appreciate your help. I will ask about powering the fan later once I have everything.

[sefann]

Originally Posted by vinzer

sefann,

I assume you have X5 E70 and you was originally having MASK (small screen, not as wide as navigation one). Now you bought CCC navigation which comes in two units (wide screen + main ccc module with two CD/DVD slots on it).
You will need the following parts:
1. LVDS Cable to connect dispaly and CCC unit. BMW part number 61129195760
2. Plastic trim for the dash board in the middle. BMW part number 51456967469

The plastic trim is 100% needed. LVDS cable is needed to simplify the things however if you do not want to buy it - just use existed one. The connector for the dispaly will fit the new display. The connector for the unit will also fit the new CCC unit but you will have to cut plastic limiter on the connector. You will see it once you star to connect it.

There is also small FAN attached to the back of the CCC unit. You will have to make some small wiring there in order to let it work. I will try to find some wiring diagram how to connect that fan. I simply do not remeber that by heart. But it is not vital for the short tests, which can be done even without the fan. But just short tests.

Now once everything is connected you need to code your CCC unit and change vehicle order (VO). This can be done at the dealer or by using cable and software. Patryk - the name of the guy from the E90 board - he probably may help you with the coding. But you will have to get the cable first or maybe he can ship you one for the time of coding. You can not buy this cable anywhere at the BMW dealer.

It is not super difficult to code your car but you need to fully understand what you doing.
Do not hesitate to ask me a questions if needed.
vinzer

Hi,
So I am expecting everything to show up today and I will get right to work. Can you help out with instructions for making the nav fan work? I would really appreciate that.
thanks.

[sefann]

Originally Posted by xtrmdad

I just installed a 16:9 Widescreen in my 2007 X5. I am preparing to install the Navigation System. Is the Nav System Plug N Play is I already have the On Board Computer and I Drive? I have called the dealer and they are not sure. Need some help.

Hi,
Did you make any progress with this? I have all my parts in and I already installed my screen. Someone mentioned on the forum here that i need to create special wiring for the ccc nav fan. did you run into this? please share.

[vinzer]

I am attaching 3 pictures of the back of the CCC navigation here.

If you look at the back of the CCC unit you will see at the left FAN with its connector (3 pin connector from left to right pins 1,2,3) and at the right side there are also two connectors on top of the third one.

You need to take 3 wires and connect the following:

Pin 1 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 5 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Pin 2 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 11 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Pin 3 (from left to right, when looking from the back of the ccc unit) of the FAN connector to the pin 1 of the small 12 pin connector (left one out of the two).

Sorry I do not have better pictures at the moment.
Please ask if you have any questions.

[sefann]

Thanks for the instructions and pictures. I put everything without the fan but I will make it a point not to use the nav until I fix the fan. Actually I cannot use the nav because it is stuck on another state when i try to use it. I'm surprised it showed up because I thought the whole nav part did not show up until the vehicle was coded. speaking of coding the dealer is gonna charge me $280 but he isn't sure that it will work. he claims he cannot change the VO but he will try something else. If only I was patient enough to wait and get a cable myself . .. .

[vinzer]

Originally Posted by sefann

Thanks for the instructions and pictures. I put everything without the fan but I will make it a point not to use the nav until I fix the fan. Actually I cannot use the nav because it is stuck on another state when i try to use it. I'm surprised it showed up because I thought the whole nav part did not show up until the vehicle was coded. speaking of coding the dealer is gonna charge me $280 but he isn't sure that it will work. he claims he cannot change the VO but he will try something else. If only I was patient enough to wait and get a cable myself . .. .

After the installation of the CCC Nav, do you have a sound from your speakers or can you use the rest of the functions ? Asking this because there is a chance that the nav unit you installed could be removed from the vehicle which had very similar VO and in that case it may work instantly.

Your dealer can do a VO change by doing Retrofitting of the NAV option via their equipment. Would you be in my area I would code your vehicle easily, but I am far. It is 10 minutes job to do if everything is installed properly.

You may use your navigation without a fan but only for the very short period of time, because technically it may overheat and get some internal components may get damaged. The best would be to make a simple fan cable and connect it before use of the nav.

[sefann]

Originally Posted by vinzer

After the installation of the CCC Nav, do you have a sound from your speakers or can you use the rest of the functions ? Asking this because there is a chance that the nav unit you installed could be removed from the vehicle which had very similar VO and in that case it may work instantly.

Your dealer can do a VO change by doing Retrofitting of the NAV option via their equipment. Would you be in my area I would code your vehicle easily, but I am far. It is 10 minutes job to do if everything is installed properly.

You may use your navigation without a fan but only for the very short period of time, because technically it may overheat and get some internal components may get damaged. The best would be to make a simple fan cable and connect it before use of the nav.

hahaha . . dont tempt me I may just drive up to where ever you are. ROAD TRIP!! I do have sound and I seem to be able to do all my functions surprisingly. There seems to be a slight delay when i switch between between modes and screens. but all the old stuff works. And i even have some new options like bluetooth but of course thats not installed so it wont work. You may be right about the VO of where the nav came from. But the system map is stuck in Oakland. there is no place that i can see to reset the nav or tell it that it is in virginia. its kinda funny as it is showing me driving thru streets that arent really there. Maybe I should spend some time trying to figure out how to reset the NAV? Thanks for the info on doing the coding. I will mention it to the dealer in the morning.