2011 X35d or 2012 X35i to Replace 2009 X35d

[Klepper]

I have a 2009 X35d that I am very happy with. I am selling this vehicle to a family member who is in need of an SUV (and I am always looking for an excuse for a new vehicle!). My question is, should I replace it with a 2011 X35d, or a 2012 X35i? I should add that the X50i is off the table.

I love my current diesel, but I don't like the idea of buying a new 2011 diesel when I could get a one model year "newer" 2012 gas. I also would like to get the MSport package, which is not available on the diesel. But I am worried I will miss the diesel torque. Thoughts?

[Marauder73]

Just out of curiousity, why is the Torque so important to you? The gas engine is significantly faster, although the fuel economy suffers a little compared to the Diesel.

[radelow]

I have driven both and while the gasser might be faster on paper I thought the diesel felt faster in day to day use. Plus from what I have heard the mileage difference is pretty significant. I ordered a diesel as the cost difference factoring in the Eco-Credit was not much.

[Gregory34]

The gasoline is much faster and the gas mileage is not bad. I find that 20 mpg blended is usually achievable.

[bigx5er]

Owned them both. The 35i is quicker and feels more responsive overall to me. The 35d does offer better gas mileage, around 2-3 MPG for me. Once I factored in the extra cost of diesel and remember I'm buying a 60K SUV, the little savings in fuel didn't mean much to me.

I also love the sound of the 35i.

That said, there are 35d lovers out here and I sure don't disagree with their love of the 35d. It's a personal decision. Some people like to tow and the 35d is a much better match for that.

[Klepper]

Thanks for all the replys! I am going to drive the 35i this weekend and see how it feels.

Originally Posted by Marauder73

Just out of curiousity, why is the Torque so important to you? The gas engine is significantly faster, although the fuel economy suffers a little compared to the Diesel.

I don't usually do any towing (I have never towed with my current X35d), so I don't need the torque for towing, but torque usually "feels" faster. It gives that "push you back in your seat" feeling.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Klepper

Thanks for all the replys! I am going to drive the 35i this weekend and see how it feels.

I don't usually do any towing (I have never towed with my current X35d), so I don't need the torque for towing, but torque usually "feels" faster. It gives that "push you back in your seat" feeling.

I don't think that torque feels faster, it just helps you start off from rest with a heavy load, and helps you avoid transmission shifts. Engine torque gets an awful lot of discussion considering that nobody can feel it directly; what you are feeling is the torque at the wheels, and that is the product of the engine, the torque converter (which multiplies torque) and a multi-speed transmission.

Because the engine spends so much of its time at low rpm, the torque rise matters more than the torque.

Agree you should drive the 35i and decide for yourself. Both are great vehicles.

[300hp]

I thought the 35i "felt" faster when I test drove both back to back. My choice had nothing to do with acceleration though, ended up with....., well I guess its obvious

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by JCL

I don't think that torque feels faster, it just helps you start off from rest with a heavy load, and helps you avoid transmission shifts.

+1 on the transmission shifts. I find the 35d to be very pleasant to drive in the mountains as there is very little downshifting when climbing, while most gasoline engines like to down shift one or two gears to get the engine into a higher RPM range.

But there are many old sayings which go

"Horsepower is what you read about, Torque is what you feel."

"Horsepower is what you see on the speedometer with your eyes, torque is what you feel with your butt."

""Horsepower sells motor cars, but torque wins motor races"

"horsepower is how fast you get to the wall, torque is how far you go thru the wall."


Etc.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Penguin

But there are many old sayings which go

"Horsepower is what you read about, Torque is what you feel."

"Horsepower is what you see on the speedometer with your eyes, torque is what you feel with your butt."

Only problem with old sayings like those is that the torque you feel is wheel torque, not engine torque. And we have transmissions, and torque converters, so one doesn't equal the other. But everyone quotes engine torque as if it matters in and of itself.