Lexus LS460 is a copycat of 7er.
 

Take a look at the side by side profiles....you'll be the judge.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ndlexus7xi.jpg

wow! that is amazingly similar.

I think other than the trunk lid having that 'subtle' lip.. they don't look all that alike.

and they were one of the many that put BMW down for the style of the E65/66 ... that car has actually grown on me, moreso after the facelift ...

lexus looks too plain.

Plain?
Nasty is more like it.

At least the LS430 didn't repeal me.... :(

Are you insane? The front and rear overhangs are nearly identical, the roofline is 100% identical, the Hofmeister kink on the rear side window (which Lexus tries to disguise by extending the sheetmetal of the door) is a BMW traditional design cue going back almost 45 years!

Come on now! Lexus has copied the best of class of whatever segment they're aiming for since they have been a nameplate, that's what they do!

JV

repeal??? you should seriously concentrate on school rather than surfing messageboards and posting useless and stupid comments. :rolleyes:

haahahhahha :rofl:

btw.. please supplement your school work by enrolling at this site..

www.hookedonphonics.com

in a couple of years, you will no longer be fumbling for the right words and might even have a strong command of the English language. :rofl:

:iagree:

Here is an overlay of the two photos. They are so close in profile that you can barely see the difference.

That is crazy.

This is all too common at Lexus... the IS is not to far from the 3 either.

http://xoutpost.com/gallery/files/5/5/3/3vsIS.jpg

that totally looks like the 7....
crazy how it's so similiar!!!

Amazing!Well observed.Thanks for sharing

Uhuh, everything is identical....they even got the shark fin going too. :tsk:
Well this is Lexus...they just don't have their own identity. It used to be the S-class in their previous generations.
BMW did a heck of a job facelifting the 7. I like it much better especially the trunk.

Those are great comparison pics. Sure they look the same, and Lexus might be copying stuff from other brands, but I can't say that I don't like the brand. Don't get me wrong, I'd buy a BMW over a Lexus any day, but I do like them.
Thanks for the pics :thumbup:

My mistake Sanguru, I meant to say repel.

BlueX5guy, that is scarily familiar! I don't know what I was thinking earlier. I guess I was just thinking of the rest of the angles too!

Can anyone find the W221 picture in a side angle like the 7er and the LS460? I tried searching for one but couldn't find it.

Lexus' new goal is BMW. I think they'll unveil the IS coupe when BMW unveils the 3coupe.

repel??? you might as well go flip burgers now...what did you get on your SAT's?? did you even spell your name right to get your 200??? :confused:

appeal to

Definitions of repel on the Web:
cause to move back by force or influence; "repel the enemy"; "push back the urge to smoke"; "beat back the invaders"
be repellent to; cause aversion in
force or drive back; "repel the attacker"; "fight off the onslaught"; "rebuff the attack"
rebuff: reject outright and bluntly; "She snubbed his proposal"
disgust: fill with distaste; "This spoilt food disgusts me"
to drive back; to fight against

I didn't do well on my SAT's; I should've taken the ACT but it's too late now.

uhh stupid ass.. the car ie Lexus is an inanimate object and therefore cannot "repel" you... word usage.. :rolleyes:

Everything Lexus does is Bimmer or Benz! Sad!

Just another entry in the long list of car companies that rip others off. It's too bad it's so shameless, so transparent. You just have to know that the 7 is a vastly superior automobile to the LS, no matter what the visual similarities. Just like the IS isn't the 3-series, or the Chrysler 300 isn't a Bentley, or the 350z isn't a 911 - the LS is not a 7!

As much as I don't like Chris Bangle's desgins, at least they are catching on with the masses, and doing well enough for other automakers to straight-up copy them.

Well the big 7's IDrive is now being copied by the new S-class as well and a little while ago MB was making fun of the IDrive in their commercial.

Yep, Audi used the concept for their MMI system too, granted they made it a lot better. The Acura RL system is similar to MMI. Man that 7series spawned a lot of new stuff.

Thats right you can get the same exact out of Lexus...and get this...NOOOO service issues...it is an AMAZING concept yes I know...I will admit...I love the Japenese when it comes to realiablity and I love the Germans and the roadfeel...now if we could just take both cars and run them into eash other at 80mphs and see if we could have the best of both worlds!

Well Lexus is really good at copying designs.

Remember their first-ever RX300 SUV? That thing was a complete rip off from Benz's first-gen ML.

The RX and LS both had amazing sales too. At least they're doin it right :rolleyes: . But yes, they're quality/reliability is unmatched.

Yeah... but they have no soul... I'll stick with my bimmer. I've never liked Lexus; as mentioned here before, they've always copied designs from Benz or BMW. It's a good, reliable brand, but I'll never own one.

Juan

I agree. Theses 2 cars are almost identical in shape. Lexus are fine cars but they often copy German's models either Mercedes or BMW.

Wow, you seem to take a lot of offense to online posts.
What about water repellent? Water is inanimate...?

RealShakaZulu, that's the W220, old S-Class.

Juan, I too would never buy a Lexus for the same reasons you mentioned. However, they are inarguably making a vehicle of outstanding quality. I am merely suggesting, that it's sales is a testament to its success (as a copied vehicle) :) .

Vin, I agree. For the CFO a soul has little to no impact on car purchasing decisions. She wants reliable, low maintenance, durable conveyance at little to no cost that she can drive until she falls through the floor board. Lexus/Toyota does this better than anyone, which is why she drives an ES330.

I want to love a Lexus badly... it makes way more sense than a Bimmer. But when I grab the door handle and it weakly opens the door, I slide into the thin leather seats, close the door w/o a vault-like sound and drive it... I crave my BM even more.

OMG... I take offense to uneducated idiots. End of the day... wrong word usage.. if you can't figure it out, go flip burgers.

I sent you a PM.

Someone needs to sing Kumbayah :dance: :rofl:

That's a pretty big misnomer though. Lexus 3.0 V6 motors had a major fiasco a couple years bad - oil sludging problems. They did hide the problem pretty well and bought cars back. They even gave some customers brand new cars to keep CSAT surveys high. I did drive the 3.5l IS and that car definitely has more soul and power than the E90 330i... Well done on Lexus' part.

Very interesting. I think it's quite unfortunate that Lexus didn't offer the 350 with a manual transmission. That egine has some good technology/R&D behind it.

The IS350 has get-go, but the suspension still isn't up to BMW-par (3er).
I've browsed a few threads on Clublexus that hint towards a IS500 or 450 coming out that'll be more performance oriented.

The engines coming out are great, the body styles are good, but could be better (who could blame them, it's hard to be really good looking and fresh these days). The LS460 from what I hear is going to have another model above it called the LS600 which will have a hybrid engine attached to it for extra performance.

That'll be one heck of a car and I'm glad to see Lexus really ramping it up in the horsepower wars (albeit, a tad bit late). The 278hp or so in the LS430 really paled in comparision of the S500's 302hp and the 750's 345hp (I believe those are the numbers, just off the top of my head). Let's just hope the eight speed tranny doesn't go gear hunting when you floor it.

It does have a decent paddle shifter though, but you are right; no manual except on the IS250.

I think the M5 doesn't have a true manual either.. at least for a few more months. Due to demand I think they are going to bring a 6sp manual.

so what's a true manual?? SMG is a sequential box with no torque convertor.. the shifts are faster than anybody can shift. It's not like the MB slushboxes, or the lexus slushboxes...

That I agree with. The overall lexus package is quite good though.

Manual with a cluth.
I agree with you 100%; SMG can shift faster than a human. Isn't BMW moving to DSG for smoother shifts soon?

The IS350s "paddles" operate the automatic transmission. It's nothing more than tiptronic controls from the steering wheel.

nope.. Highly doubt it...they have too much invested in the current SMG setup..

Right, but it's not that bad of a slushbox compared to what Lexus has previously used (or at least I've used) and seems to respond quicker than AMG SpeedShift.

I'm aware of Audi's DSG, but what is the difference between that system and SMG?

:iagree:

twin clutch on the DSG - which means there are 2 drive shafts and 2 clutches with odd number gears on 1 and even number on another. They preload gears and hence the quicker application like that in R32, Veyron, etc. (patent is owned by VAG). The only downfall to this is slow down shift if you go down 2 gears.

Dual clutch. The transfer from one gear to another makes it significantly smoother by having the second clutch.

Or you could just not drive in S4 mode or higher in SMG.. :D

http://www.gizmag.com/go/3111/

SANguru beat me to it! :)

I was wrong about Lexus entering the horsepower war...

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...0601_lexus_ls/

However, I think I was on the dot with the goal for Lexus becoming the quickest car...

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...0601_lexus_ls/

I can't find any solid specifications about the new Lexus LS460 8sp tranny.

Doesn't SMG use two clutches? :dunno:

nope.. single clutch. The 6sp tranny itself is the same in the SMG and the manual 6spd

No, SMG from what I've read is one clutch.

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=...e=post&id=6406
http://www.bmwcca.org/Roundel/2004/10/Article_1.shtml

Of the PDF, start on page 8 and you can see the tranny. If you look through the details, it doesn't mention a second clutch anywhere nor anything to work the second clutch. That's what I've inferred from those links.

Good stuff guys. Thanks.

Nah...I think you guys make to much out of the "clunk" noise...I got to drive my old LS400 the other day, my Dad has it now....cruised along at 85mph ...no prob had the Mark Levinson cranking....then thought to myself...ya know..."you dumbass! You could have saved $9K if you had just kept this in stead of that BMW...5K on the down payment and sales tax...4K in repairs..an extra $180 per month in a car payment now to borrow the Acura.....then it hit me....I will CPO that X5 as planned 39months and counting...and get the wife the LEXUS and she will be happy and I can borrow it..BRILLIENT!!!!...<sigh>

When did the LS400 get Mark Levinson? I thought it was Nakamichi until the LS430?

BTW: Notice how the Lexus gets unstable at around 95mph+ while the German cars tend to stick to the road? :o

Very good friend of mine has a shop in Warwick RI called Elite Auto, all he works on is Lexus and Toys 14 years worth...my friend Matty ripped out a Levinson from a wreack to install in his daily driver...except he never got around to it. I dropped LS off for the 100k service, gave him some advice on his investments and SIMPLE IRA plan for his employees...ya know asset allocation and diversification basics. He was so appreciative that when I pick up the car the next day he explained that he took the liberty of installing the head unit with a slight mod to fit and amp and hoped I would be happy with it, on top of that he tossed in a woodgrain steering wheel that he had laying around that matched. It had a small crack but who cares.....he gave me a MAJOR hook up!

Also RICKY, I swear on my living grandparents....I have taken that LS to 139-142mph on a strecth of 95 between BOSTON and Prov...there are never any state police and I only do it at 2am coming back from a night out in Boston....NEVER ONCE DID THAT CAR FLOAT! Then I changed the stock 16x 7.5s for 18 x 8 Moda R 6 wheels with a BFG KDWS....I did it again and it was even better...then I got a set of LSPORTLINE lowering springs...dropped the front 1.15- 1.25inches and the rear 1.5inches...did it again and it was even better, but back to my point THAT CAR DOES NOT FLOAT AT HIGH SPEEDS PERIOD stk and even less moded. Also before the computer kicks in and retards the timing at excess 144mph...that needle moves throughout the speedometer with a purpose.

My dad for years had a 944 turbo, I think a 86 or 87...He let me use it many times and @110 mphs that car fluttered, @ 120 it was dam right dangerous.

Lighten up!
 

Someone who questions another person's intelligence is usually trying to compensate for a lack of their own. :tsk:

This is the Lounge--I didn't know we had to send our messages out to a proofreading service before posting. This is why I rarely post--too many idiots nitpicking on grammar and spelling when you're trying to relax and have fun. :thumbdown

FYI--You might be "intelligent" but you have the manners of a caveman.

Take it easy newbie. They've worked things out. Carry-on...

I am glad they worked it out, because that sort of sniping can destroy a board.

Not a "newbie"--look at my join date (before yours??). I don't usually post on things like this but it destroyed a really good discussion thread.

My bad.

you obviously don't know the history then. Constant misinformation and useless information does nobody any good.

Really, it doesn't matter when you joined. Jeff, Drex, Kevin, Charles all know me and we were the original group of refugees. So if you don't know, I suggest you go back and hide and continue to lurk since you have contributed nothing and have not even donated to X5world. :thumbdown