128 students suspended at Ind. school
 

OH I LOVE IT. Finally: Someone finally did something right. Keep it up, let it spread thank you very much!!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/...t/dress_code_2

That's great but unfortunately 126 of those kids will have parents who take the kid's side and blame the school for persecuting their kids. Some might even pull the R card. They'll expend such enormous energy being angry with and blaming the school but never stop to think that maybe, just maybe, their kids should not be jaw jacking on their cellphone during school and they shouldn't dress like they're auditioning for a rap video at school. Rant off. :rant:

yeah, i have to say i very much appluad the school for their actions. it's about time ....

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Baa our school never enforced the dress code, but I'd be the first to tell several female teachers they dressed like whores, I think cell phones should be allowed at school, everyone brought them anyways, I think some dress code is good but alot of schools take it to far

He is right

Remember schools are for education not offending attire which includes baggy pants, low-cut shirts, tank tops and graphic T-shirts and cell phone use, nose, rings, lip rings belly button rings dyed hair whatever.

The ability to acquire knowledge is well within the capabilities of our young people. However there are too many distractions that inhibit learning. Remove these distractions and what you get is an enviornment devoid of fashion and peer pressure compitition and some serious get down to business learning. Sure there are a lot of other issues that require attention but within the scope of the action taken in this school i hope they continue to drop the hammer big time and send these kids a message. :thumbup:

i wish more schools took notice. I remember i'd come into senior year of HS wearing a shirt and tie because i had work after school and kids would be looking at me like i fell from the sky. yes a kid walkin with his pants nearly off, boxers showing and barely walking because they are at his ankles and no one says a thing. but that shoudlnt only be for school. i go to the gym and some of the girls there are more of a distraction

basically theres a time and a place for everything and i think school isnt the time nor the place to be acting "cool" do that on your own time

Lets just make em all be clones then, that goes in line with the idiot dad who said my brand new M3 was "making other people look bad"

not quite clones i didnt say uniforms but some proper etiquete never hurt anyone. if parents dont educate then someone must otherwise we get a very uncivilized looking society, look at europe does anyone walk around with pants on their ankles? a guy is dressed well and a woman looks like a lady even if she is a tramp. and let me ask you something how do you think people in the "real world" look? I work on Wall Street and everyone wears a suit thats a shirt, pants, jacket and tie for those who arent familiar with the concept. everyone looks the same but everyone looks good. i figure you feel the way you dress if you dress like crap you feel like it if you dress fine you feel fine each is a direct result of the other

as for the M3 i've quite frankly lost count of the cars you have so between the x, the m the rover and the other countless vehicles you mentioned i'm not sure if you just own a dealer lot or just obnoxiously rich

I applaud the school for this. Dress codes help minimize distractions to facilitate a better learning environment. Baggy pants, revealing tops etc. are ways in which kids express themselves, and weekends and after school that's fine. Actually, when I see kids going/coming to school the so-called fashions they wear already make them look like clones. And I think that choice is fine.

Cell phones should absolutely be band from school! Why do they need a phone in class - talk about a distraction. It's bad enough in the gym etc, but IMO cell phones are worse offenses than clothes and the penalty for them in the classroom should be even stronger.

Although I don't see how these 2 statements are related, I agree with your first point. Uniforms should be brought back which will eliminate the fashion struggle in schools. Good suggestion Ryan.:thumbup:

cellphones should not be allowed, we all surived fine without them, why teach kids at this age to be dependant on them. i remember doing math without a calculator and i got to school and these kids cant add 2+2 without a calculator, in my college 50% couldnt read a g-d dam meter stick and it was a technical university thats just absurd.

See I'm different, my parents DEMANDED I always have my cell phone with me, at all times, no exceptions except for work and thats just how we we're brought up, in So Cal, cell phones are not really some big deal, EVERYONE has em, I've had once since I was 14 or something, I wish we we're like Europe, I always dress very good, never revealing or baggy but its not a priority here like it is in Europe, clothes are a persons expression and that should not be taken away

clothes are a persons expression unfortunately we are influenced by the wrong impression, in Europe you dont have trailer park trash and rappers wana bees walking around its a bit more curbed and for good reason. the whole manner and style is different in Europe and the fact that you've had a cell phone since 14 doesnt say much because that puts you and me in the same age group and i didnt have one until 18 and it was strictly for emergency use it wasnt until later that i found it a convenience, but i dont see how a 11 yr old such as my cousin should need a cell phone for. They are not that important

Sure it is, my cousins 8 and she has one, it's so her parents can get ahold of her

Not required. Parents should know where their 8 year old is every minute. Therefore parents have no need to get a hold of someone who they already have a hold on.

I guarentee parents don't always know where their kids are at all times and those that do are simply foolish

:iagree: thank you, thats the point i'm trying to make we are so dependant on those dam cell phones and crackberries and i'm as guilty the the next but why corrupt little kids?

Let me get this straight: Your saying that parents who always know where their 8 year old kids are at all time are foolish?? What planet are your from?

if you are foolish for knowing where your 8yr old is at every minute i think you are a bad parent

Noone knows where someone is at ALL times, thats the point, my parents may have thought they knew where I was but I wasn't always at that place, plans change etc thats why cell phones are important to many people, including my family, I think keeping constant communication with your child makes you a GOOD parent

The first part in principal is true only to the extent that if my 8 year old is at school then he/she/ is expected to be there and i make sure that they are accounted for every minute so a cell phone is not required. That arrangement carries over into every aspect of that 8 year olds life.

As to the second part, my 8 year olds who are grown now will tell you that you only got to pull that not being where your suppose to be once or twice and that would be the last time you did it. I DON"T PLAY regarding that issue.

Now to the last part i agree. That's exactly why an 8 year old will always be supervised by a parent who is in constant communication with ME the parent. So again that 8 year old would not need to have a cell phone.

Thats the point they used a cell phone to be in communication

Not 8 year olds. No cell phones period. Supervising parents make the calls.

yeah well unfortunatly not all parents give a crap hence the reason behind giving kids cell phones

Now we are in complete agreement :thumbup:

As a parent of 3 teenagers, I've gone through all of these issues.

Some of you who don't have childen need to attend some parent teacher meetings to hear the reasons why dress codes are required. The main concern with clothing issues here in L.A. schools is directly related to gang signage. There is certain apparel that is affiliated with particular gangs that the school administrators do not want present on the campuses. The last thing I need is for my sons or daughter to get shot because they were wearing a professional team jersey affiliated with a gang.

Cellphones belong in the hands of children who are old enough to be responsible users. I believe they have no place with childen of elementary and middle school age. The school administrators will gladly allow the children to make emergency phone calls as well as get messages to the children.

In high school, it's different. The high school kids are going to carry their phones and it is allowed but with definite rules. Teachers do not want students placing calls or text messaging in class; they don't want them to put their crib notes in their phones, using the calculators, or googling test answers. But many teachers have found away around this - they simply collect cellphones at the beginning of class and return them after class. Any student using a cellphone during class has their phone confiscated; a parent must come pick up the phone from the administration office. Cellphones are needed; if my kids are not following their normal routine, I need them to call me or my wife if they staying for extra basketball practice, going to a friends house, going shopping etc. The payphones in the campus are frequently vandalized and are not working, so the cellphone is a must.

I know I am going to get killed by all of you young men and women who just got out of the school system or are still in it but here is what I think. There is nothing wrong with school uniform. Actually I even think that wearing a uniform, like a lot of kids in the UK do, is probably a very good idea. Every kids, poor or rich wear the same thing and there is no jalousie about who wears the latest Nike shoes or North Face backpack. IMO

but what did we do before we had cellphones? now i know you might say well before cell phones the world wasnt what it is today but its all relative to the time

:iagree: absolutely, when I was growing up in Ukraine a school uniform for both boys and girls was mandatory. I'm not sure that I fully agree with it only because it turns school into a military type of an environment but it definitely would get rid of jealousy as well as other things that could cause problems between kids. even if uniforms arent inforced I think some form of at least proper attire should be required starting with no pants below the waist line. Thats just plain disgusting

the most ridiculous thing i've heard from you yet. Of course no one knows when you go to the restroom or when you are in between classes and exactly where in the hallway you are and your latitude and longitude coordinates but i'm sorry if a parent doesnt know that a child is at school theres a problem with the child and the parent ESPECIALLY AT 8 YEARS OLD. This is where parenting comes in to make sure the kids hang out with the right kids and the parents must know who the parents of their kids friends are etc.... all goes into good parenting, i'm no genious hell i'm only 24 with no kids but i've been raised pretty darn well to know right from wrong which is more than i can say for kids now and that all goes back to the fact that they are all spoiled by the cellphones and by the total freedom they have of wearing anything or nothing

First off I'm sure i'll get flamed for saying I don't think your ideals would make you a very good parent then, noone knows where their kids are at all times and I think the fact my parents took additional measures beyond just trusting parents makes them better parents

what did your parents do when you were 8? if you are my age then at 8 there was not even a concept of a cell phone

i agree with getting a cellphone for a teen who is beginning to go out and starts driving its an important accessory to have in case there's an accident or some other sort of trouble but i'm sorry there is absolutely no need to have a cellphone at school. First you see your classmates/friends in the hall and you dont need to call them, second you dont need to call your parents to tell them anything, in case you do theres always the nurses office the deans office counselors office and you can request to speak in confidentiality. between school and home your parents should generally know your route and if you divert from it at a reasonable rate it will not be bad. but a cellphone in the hands of an 8yr old is pointless just like in the hands of my 11yr old cousin the concept of which i still dont understand.

Hence the reason I believe If I didn't dislike kids i'd give mine cell phones but since I refuse to have kids, it doesn't matter :thumbup:

you lost me on this one. i said what did YOUR PARENTS do when YOU were 8 i didnt ask you what you would do if you had kids

My parents did their best to put their trust in parents that were sometimes and sometimes not reliable

HUH. :dunno: Taking your comment as it is; I believe it explains your opinions regarding this issue. And since you have expressed you dislike for children, that also may influence your decision making. Last but not least if you have no children then perhaps that speaks for itself. Be that as it may you are entitled to your opinion.:thumbup: Even if it is wrong. :rofl:

i think we beat this one like a dead horse no point in continuing. long story short the school is well within its rights since it explicitely states i hope in all its classes and rules that such behavior is unacceptable

How old are you?

Teenagers are always testing the limits and school is more than just learning.
I don't like blue hair but it really does not distract the teens (maybe an old person like you). The wonderful thing about Americans is that we are able to be are own person and innovate instead of being a conforming drone.

Old enough to know better.

I believe having been a teenager once that i knew that

In this case it really dosen't matter what you or i like. It is the rule the school put in place. So these students were required to comply.

I agree. America is a wonderful place. But even in America rules are put in place for a reason. In school just like everything else we abide by the rules. You don't obey the rules you get put out and I agree with that.

to add to those points above regarding America, the reason we need such rules is because the class of people here in some places flat out sucks, kids are raised by nannies who sometimes are no more than kids themselves, there is no etiquete for anything, no manners nothing is taught. its a spoiled society, look at europe for how they raise their kids they know how to use a knife and fork for g-ds sake, yes eating pizza with a knife and fork is a bit funny to us but it works quite well. I'm not complaining about US, hell I live here but I'm just saying that if parents and society wont do something, someone has to and school is a place for education so what better place than school if not a home

Rules for rules sake makes no sense, kids like to express them selves and a dress code in a public school is a rule for rule sake.

I read about someone charge with broadcasting a Arab TV station in the US.

I think this is censorship.

If we are not careful American is going to become strict conservative state instead of the land of freedom and diversity.

freedom and diversity has its limits if the general population doesnt have a brain. get it? carrying a gun as is allowed in other parts of the world would be detrimental to everyone here in the US because people would use it too often. I'm 24 trust me I've yet to forget the days of school, I didnt say put everyone in uniforms but pants that are below the waist line are plain out unacceptable. What is the point? what are you expressing that you are "gangsta'"? its showing lack of class, or a girl wearing a skirt so low cut that when she bends one can see her ass? Granted I wont complain but a 14yr old should not be dressing like that its plain out sick. and gets the attention of sick bastards out there on the streets. I dont know how old you are but I'm not conservative nor am I old

The problem is that you are setting the rule, maybe we should require that all girls wear Hijab or ħijāb, that way "sick bastards" would see less.

The other problem is that you think you know better "the general population doesn't have a brain". I have two thoughts on that:

1 Maybe we should get rid of the democratic system and have you run the country.

2 Hitler was very smart person

taking a statement out of context is what you are doing, do you think its right for a 14yr old to wear something that when she bends over you see the color of her thong if she is wearing one? Personally i dont think something like that should be worn by any age not because i dont like it but because its inappropriate and gets the wrong attention and is associated with the wrong kind of people, you want to be provocative and sexy there are other ways to do it. plus school is no place for that. i'm not setting any rules, i used to wear sweats to school and jeans and pants shirt and tie, yes i'll agree banning any tshirts with writing on it is a bit over board but banning pants below waist line is pointless there is no class or fashion associated with it. especially at high school age when instead of thinking with their head they look at what others are doing and where do you think others get their ideas? parents who dont know better mainly associated to the fact that 14yr olds are having kids. yet sex on tv is a taboo. I could be here all day with this so make a very good point on why i'm wrong or rather why i should rethink my opinion, i'm flexible here

The problem is that the norm moves, we once thought that seeing a bra strap was a big deal. So you see the thong after a while its not all that provocative. If the democratic system says that it is indecent that one thing but its not for you or I to set the norm or the the rule.

absolutely not but it seems our norm is really out of the norm with the rest of the world. plus since when do kids set the norm? the norm has changed because as the generations grew there was a lack of norm and it spiraled out

Does this mean that you know better and thick that the current norm has "spiraled out" and is wrong?

I think we back to you knowing better and running the country.

Ok so a thirteen year old should be allowed to go to school with her bra strap and thong hanging out because all the guys no longer find this provocative? :loco: Subsequently, when she decides she WANTS to dress provocatively she will just wear the bra with no top, and this is ok too because she is just utilizing her freedom of expression??


The democratic system DID say that it is indecent..........i.e. the school board

Now please.........:thud:

The bottom line is there is an excessive lack of respect from many young people today. That is not a respectful way to dress and they could do better/more mature things to show their individuality. Set standards at the schools & if a student violates the standards they will then be required to wear a school uniform for 90 days. Every principal should have a military background to ensure strict enforcement of standards! :gun:

The school board is far from democratic.


PS I think most bikini tops are the same or less than a bra and I don't mind looking.

I think you are missing point we need the democratic system to set rules not a small local group of like minded people. If we are not careful we will become the closed minded religious fundamental seltitz that are terrorizing the world.

:iagree: except for the military background I could just see it now "Drop down and gime 20" but in any case this is what I am talking about, it all starts with kids. If they start dressing respectfully and acting respectfully from that age then we can over generations get back to the kind of standards that were set earlier where children did not talk back to parents did not go killing parents do not steal and lie but an educated society. Look at Europe once again, granted they do not have all the luxuries we do here but they are also not spoiled, they know how to appreciate what they have, they value money and are not loose like some are here. Of course its not like that everywhere and you have your bad in every culture and country but it starts from the hospital the day you are born and if parents cant do it right someone has to.

The point wasnt that you or I mind looking, I dont mind looking I could care less if they didnt wear a bra and/or thong and/or bikini top/bottom but at 14 15 16 its just plain out wrong. I dont care if they watch porn or at least nudity because in most industrial and modern countries its not a taboo, Mulin Rouge for example allows kids 6+ to see the show where the girls wear no tops and thongs but that society is not so sex hungry. You can walk down the street and look at pictures of girls who perform at strip clubs there and they are pretty graphic where as here playboy magazines and the likes are hidden well behind the counter, alcohol is dissallowed until 21, smoking until 18, but ask yourself WHY? and the answer shall be that we allowed kids to blow this out of proportion due to lack of respect, lack of education and just plain lack of class.

So x54.4blue you believe everyone should just do what they want, whenever they want to whom ever they want. Mob ( Democratic rule). Correct?

a group of like minded or at least similarly minded people is a pre-requisite for a democracy .

As for your slippery slope argument, give me a break. It is a long way from enforcing a minimum basic dress code to blowing up airplanes and buildings. Not too many people out there willing to martyr themselves over the right to dress trashy.

:rolleyes:

Neither is IBM or any other organization who has rules that must be followed. Anyone has a right to express themselves but if you work for IBM or wish to be a part of and organization that has rules then you have a choice obey or leave. Simple.

I'm sure we all respect your opinion regarding bikini tops but your opinion is not being considered by this school board so it dosn't matter.


Actually we are not missing the point. We are hoping more rules are set in place so that young people who have no sense of class will taught some class and decency. I know you can appreciate that can you not???

Amen
 

Amen! :) :rofl: :rofl:
Its unfortunate parents will blame the school system, and guess who bought the clothes. Parents know what's appropriate.

Actually the answer is parents do not teach children truth regarding which moral compass to follow. Proper training helps young people understand the proper place for sex, appreciation for the human body and respect for their fellow man. The reason why so much effort is made to censor playboy magazines and the like which is hidden well behind the counter, why alcohol is dissallowed until 21, and smoking until 18 is because parents are too lazy to make the needed effort to raise morally respectable young people. They don't do it because the are not morally respectable themselves. Now if you follow that logic you can see why rules are put in place for those children who have ignorant parents.

I wish i could agree. But on any give day you can ask a parent and some of them really believe what their child is wearing is fine. :confused: But take a look at the parent. Is there any real wonder why they feel that way??

back to my point of it all starts with parents and if they dont know how to raise their children someone has to do it for them

Barry my point exactly maybe i didnt state it properly but i absolutely agree with you. it starts with parents and if they dont know how to raise kids well someone has to. I wasnt born here and was staying at home alone starting about 5yrs old. here in the US you lose your child for that stunt, one of my parents friends knew someone whose kid called 911 and said she was home alone, guess what that got the parents. parents now a days are kids themselves thats the problem.

First off, Blondboisd is 21...just barely out of his teenage years. His reasoning makes sense to teenagers not to parents. We should forget and forgive what he says, my eldest son is turning 20. As a parent of 4 teenage children 19,17,15,12 I know what it takes to guide your children to the right paths even though I have hard times doing so. As for teenage boys, I am sure they will survive the peer pressure in their teenage years as they grow up. Just like other parents, I am worried more for my 12 year-old daughter who is more vulnerable to the peer pressure. Anyway, all 4 of them have cellphones and I wish the school they attend require uniforms. Giving kids cellphones is sometimes unneccessary but then I know I will have a hold of them whenever I want and sometimes it happens that I call them right where it needed most. If you know what I mean. Applause to the parents in this forum.

I'm 24 so you can say just out of my teenage years as well and what he says is complete non-sence

Yes I have a teenager and don't need the school to set the rules for dress.
People that need the school to do things like that have failed or are failing as a parents.

And you should be. Here's a good reason why. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060902/...t/naked_town_1

Very true, which is exactly why the school needs to have the dress code. There are many parents that aren't holding up their end of the responsibility. You can't force them to raise their kids differently, thus you need the rules.