Originally Posted by x54.4blue

So what do all you computer experts think?

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Who's on first?

Originally Posted by ifly

By using the word Vista does that mean we get a better view out of our Windows???:confused:

Originally Posted by BMW X5

:confused: :confused:

keep looking :nanana:

Originally Posted by ifly

I'm looking for something in all of this but nothing comes to mind and Vista may be something but we won't know until we get it, or we may not and then nothing will have been achieved!:nanana:

Originally Posted by BMW X5

this isnt the something vs nothing page go back to basics quit poluting a thread that should really be about something :nanana:

Originally Posted by BMW X5

no who's on second

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Think about what???

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Why you are such an ASS:nanana:

Originally Posted by cmyX5go

I don't know.......third base :)

Originally Posted by BMW X5

I like third base but a home run is a lot more rewarding ;) ;pervert;

Originally Posted by BMW X5

I like third base but a home run is a lot more rewarding ;) ;pervert;

Originally Posted by ifly

I was stating a point there based upon past experiences with MS. Don't read anything into my comments I am environmentally friendly and as such don't pollute threads!

BTW nobody has discussed the hardware needs around Vista:nanana:

Originally Posted by cmyX5go

What's up O? Get your mind out of the gutter. I thought we were talking Abbott and Costello :confused:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

:worthless:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Ass Dude I am not a computer expert that why I asked.

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Will it be better than XP will it have bugs and security problems.

Will it require so much more memory and processor that it means everyone will need to upgrade.

The Beta version has been out for some time and I thought that some of you would have opinion.

Originally Posted by BMW X5

:confused:

well now now dont go calling people names, he asked a legitimate question based on the statement made there was no question except for "so what do you all think" think about what? :confused:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

:worthless:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Will it be better than XP

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

will it have bugs and security problems.

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Will it require so much more memory and processor that it means everyone will need to upgrade.

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

The Beta version has been out for some time and I thought that some of you would have opinion.

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Why you are such an ASS:nanana:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I thought you didn't like personal attacks?:nanana:

Originally Posted by BruinMan

Gez!
I don't blame Blue for getting pissed off. What is wrong with you Barry? You are such a nice man and such a pleasent person to talk too. It is a computer question and if you can't comment on his question please don't reply. Barry I love you man; but you need to back off if you can't contribute a positive reply.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I answered his question in post #28 with post #34. As far as him being pissed off that's something X54.4Blue can PM me about.

Originally Posted by SANguru

google.com is such a foreign concept. BTW.. what was the question?? LOL:rofl:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

My sister needs a new laptop, should she wait until February?

Originally Posted by Ed Garces

Tell her to check out the Apple Macbooks http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html

Just ordered mine ( 2 ghz. 2 gig ram, 160 gig hard drive, AND Black, to match my X5!). It can do dual O/S - Mac Tiger OS and Windozzzz XP and later upgradable to Mac Leopard and Micro$oft Vista when they come out. You get the best of both worlds :thumbup:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

It looks like a real nice laptop, I must say that I have always had a windows based computer and not sure that I what to go Apple. It is also my assumption that a Apple cost more than a windows based laptop, what do you think?

Originally Posted by jwilburn

Jan 30 is still too late. They completly missed the christmas season, thus also hurting the computer company's sales. Oh well they tried I guess? I will just stick with my mac. :)

Originally Posted by BMW X5

apple does cost more but you get a lot more for the money not on paper though. They are better in batterly life, in use and now since they are dual boot capable you get best of both worlds. price is the only draw back... but its my next computer.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Actually this cost debate was solved long before the intel deal. (Note the 2003 article link) Most of all the arguements boil down to what a person want's. I personally encourage people to visit a Mac Store and test drive the product. You could actually stay in the store for hours getting your questions answered so that you have enough information to make an informed decision. Then if you buy a PC at least you made the decision based on what you believe the facts are not what someone else says.

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=22738

Performance and Cost

It is one of the great truths of computer ownership that base cost is just part of the total cost of ownership (TCO). Issues like long-term maintenance costs, security Relevant Products/Services and reliability also come into play.

Further complicating the issue is the "Cadillac vs. Mercedes Benz" analogy. A Cadillac is less expensive, but a Cadillac cannot go from 0 to 60 in 8.5 seconds. A similar computer platform may be cheaper, but does it really offer the same performance as its higher-priced competitor?

"Clearly, the price tags for PCs are lower -- at least at the low end," says Macworld editor-in-chief Jason Snell.

"However, we recently tested the speed of high-end Macs and PCs, and they're comparable -- for comparable prices -- in many areas. So, it's probably most realistic to say that while the cheapest PCs cost less than the cheapest Macs, the cheapest Macs are probably comparable with PCs that cost a similar amount," he told NewsFactor.

"In other words, as usual, you get what you pay for."

Originally Posted by Ed Garces

Hardware-to-hardware, maybe you should compare the "more expensive" Mac with this:

http://sonysales.com/index.htm?sid=g...y+vaio+generic

I priced a Sony Viao TX Series with all the goodies I got with the Macbook and the VIAO would have cost me over $3000 vs. $1800 for the Macbook

Originally Posted by BMW X5

anyone ? I never owned one but could say from all the things i hear that they really do stand by their product. You have to remember windows goes on any brand pc where as mac is only mac there is no IBM or DELL or etc... its just MAC and they are very proud of it.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

A nice touch is making an appointment in a Mac store to get problems resolved. Taking free classes at the Mac store to solve any problems you may have and training for the applications that have been pre-installed on your Mac. Since i have owned a Mac (1988 till now) I have only had to send in a product for repair once. I took 5 days including turn around time and not one peep of resistance from Apple. During all that time I called Apple twice and both times what I thought was a problem was solved in 5 mins. Lastly the resources avaliable for solving problems are huge.

Originally Posted by BMW X5

yes they do and thats all they should make, not computers thats not their field of expertise

Originally Posted by BMW X5

are you a heavy user of the computer?

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I would say so. Most of the time i have several applications open at the same time including Windows XP Windows 2000. and 2 of the 4 music applications i use and the internet spread over 2 monitors. All this is happening on a 5 year old Power Mac which has had no upgrades. :thumbup: And of course( knock on wood) No viruses. Oh there are a few hiccups now and then but nothing that i cant handle with once a month maintenance.

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Ok so based on all this good info it sounds like a MAc may be better but I still wonder if she should wait until February when Vista will be a choice?

Originally Posted by BMW X5

my fault should have clarified. The reason i asked this question is because you mentioned that you've only called in 2ce and sent in once since 1988 which is quite some time, i realize its not all on one machine but depending on how heavy of a user you are. for example internet use and word processing does not constitute heavy according to most. Heavy user is one that uses multiple intense applications, runs macros, and other programs that put a load on the system.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I run music applications: That's why I have the system I have. Will it run NASA? never tried to but thats not my use for the system I have. Others would have to research their needs. Years ago the issue was and still is what kind of software does a person need to use. Once that is established then the next step if finding the hardware to run it on. Mac's are used in many universities for scientific research and such so i suppose that is very intense as well.

The call in to CS would never have anything to do with how intensive a user i am. My calls were always system software related which was always an issue i couldn't figure out. Outdated printers ect. can be issues as well but those are 3rd party related issues which if you have been a long time mac user you know to do a search and the conflicts are spelled out but not always fixed.

Originally Posted by BMW X5

right but if you're not a heavy user you woudlnt necessarily come across certian problems that you would if you were a heavy one. its difficult to explain over the web

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

What problems?? :dunno: Thinks about it and explain. Your CPU and other components can either process the information or it can't.

Originally Posted by BMW X5

if you use the computer on a daily basis with lots of applications for the entire day the odds that you will notice a problem are a lot higher than those if you just use the computer for 15 minutes a day to check your email on a web browser. The odds you will see a hardware issue with a machine on for 15 minutes are smaller than if your machine is on 24/7 hence light user vs heavy user

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

OH. well if we use those criteria then the CEO would rate me as beyond a heavy user. She thinks I'm addicted to this thing. It's on 7 days a week on average 8 hours a day at least.. OBTW I have to add that part of the reason i don't use customer service is that if there is a problem i resolve the issues myself with the diagnostic software provided by Apple and a few other vendors. Apples ease of use makes this a breeze if a person follows the monthly maintenance procedures outlined by Mac user groups and other users who have experience in resolving problems.

Originally Posted by BMW X5

Though i do not know your level of computer expertise