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Juanted 06-02-2005 07:26 PM

M3, Baby!

LeMansX5 06-02-2005 08:05 PM

Mini Cooper S convertible or M3 with comp package. Both are great choices. If your friend is not big (physically) then Mini cooper S is the way to go. I was at the Mini Cooper dealership 2 weeks ago and my buddy who is 'medium big' had tough time getting in and out.

PersonaNonGrata 06-02-2005 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Line
So my last question is, does your friend want a two door sports car to "look good in?" or does he really want the performance. If it's the "idea" of a sports car that moves him, there are some really nice options. But if performance is his goal, why not look beyond the two door?

In conclusion,
You get more bang for the buck in a sedan..
just my .02

Hope this helps.
B

Good points. I asked him the same thing. I think he's more of a guy who wants a sports car to look good in. He's not going to do DE's or track a car. It's funny that you made the comments you did because I too covered the "how about an E39 M5" topic since that would be, as I described to him, a car that has gobs of power, maturity, elegance, and prestige, is instantly recognized and appreciated by enthusiasts, and able to eat up some serious sport coupes.

He did start off by saying that he wanted a sports car with no compromises in terms of doors or seating. It then shifted to "I do need 4 seats", back to the two seater when I suggested he keep his Exploder.

Who knows what he'll do but it is fun vicariously spending other people's money. Thanks for the feedback guys.

PersonaNonGrata 06-02-2005 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Mini Cooper S convertible or M3 with comp package. Both are great choices. If your friend is not big (physically) then Mini cooper S is the way to go. I was at the Mini Cooper dealership 2 weeks ago and my buddy who is 'medium big' had tough time getting in and out.

Personally, I really like the Mini S convertible. I can't wait to drive my sister's that she just got after trading in their Mini Cooper tin top. This guy though, is not a Mini kind of guy. He's more of a "my 'Vette got them wet" kind of guy. You dig? He doesn't want a really obvious sign that mid-life is in crisis and that he schlong needs augmentation but he still wants something that is more macho. :dunno:

JV 06-02-2005 10:17 PM

Nothing like a good old pushrod V8, if he's a Vette man, he oughta go for a C6!

JV

5Xwen 06-03-2005 04:17 PM

Unless we're talking about families without kids, I'd say a majority of two seater sports cars today are THIRD (or more) cars in the garage, not primary drivers.



Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Line
It seems to me that the argument of which car to buy needs to be revisited.
10 years ago buyers had a choice, a four door sedan or a two seat sports car.
I don't think that holds water any more. In todays market, the only difference between a sports car and "certain" sedans, is the amount of doors they have and cargo space.
You can now buy a four door sedan that has the same, if not better performance as a two door "sports car." In some cases even, like the Audi station wagon (avant), the performance is even BETTER than on the sedan because of aerodynamics.

- Take for example the Audi S4. BMW M5, Mercedes "whatever", the infiniti sedans, blah, blah, blah..

I will argue that ANY car that does 0-60 in under six seconds regardless of the amount of doors, is a sports car. Throw in all wheel drive, convertibles, and even performance trucks like the X5 4.4, 4.8is, Cayenne, FX45 -- and you get a combo of amazing performance and versatility.

So to answer this question with a list of cars I would consider:

- Audi S4, TT,
- BMW M3 --> 545 --> M5 -->z4
- Porsche 993, 911 - boxster
- X5
- Cayenne
- Lexus GS430
- New mustang
- Corvette

- again, I have to answer the question this way because as a previous owner of a 2000 Audi S4, (granted with a little bit of mods, chip, exhaust, short shift, brake kit, bipass valves,) I had 330 hp, all wheel drive, four doors, a nice sized trunk, etc. And I used to eat up two door sports cars at the track, all day long. It was faster than my stock 1997 911 and I could beat on it all day long. I would constantly pass boxsters, 911's, WRX's, unmodded Supra's and RX-7's..

-- Here is another point. There are not nearly as many two door sports cars on the market today as there were 10-15 years ago. Why??
Because the youth market of today no longer buys the RX-7 or Supra's, or Mistubishi 3000's or Dodge Stealth's.. etc. They now buy SUV's... Like Pathfinders, 4runners, Jeeps, Explorers, etc.
Or, they buy import cars and tune them. For example, how many RX-8's do you see on the road?

-- So, even though the sports car market is making a little resurgance. There is not the option there used to be. And also because the sedans are getting so fast and handle so well, more people are moving in that direction.

I would say a majority of two seater sports cars today are SECOND cars in the garage, not primary drivers.
And even in those cases, lets take me for an example. I have a 282 hp two door sports car (1997 Porsche 911) and I also have a 2004 BMW 4.8is which has 360hp. The performance difference between these two automobiles is very small. Of course I can't take the X5 to the track for DE's, but only because they won't allow me, not because it couldn't keep up. I would never have the Pcar as my daily driver. Too small inside, no cup holders, place to charge my phone, etc. etc. etc.

So my last question is, does your friend want a two door sports car to "look good in?" or does he really want the performance. If it's the "idea" of a sports car that moves him, there are some really nice options. But if performance is his goal, why not look beyond the two door?

In conclusion,
You get more bang for the buck in a sedan..
just my .02

Hope this helps.
B


motordavid 06-03-2005 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata
...He's more of a "my 'Vette got them wet" kind of guy. You dig? He doesn't want a really obvious sign that mid-life is in crisis and that he schlong needs augmentation but he still wants something that is more macho. :dunno:

:rofl: PNG: fairly good assesment on that glittering generality of 2 seat sports cars: am slightly past the mid-life crisis and my schlong is not quite as woody and schlongy as it was in my 30s or 40s, but still works. :D
BR, md
"Hi Honey, ya wanna do some amateur wrestling, or go for a ride in the vette?" Sometimes theCEO picks one...sometimes the other. :bustingup


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