You gotta read this about the iPhone
 

An interesting revelation regarding the iPhone and believe you me this one i do not agree with. :thumbdown

Read this article. It's worth it. I posted this part because if true Apple may have some serious legal problems with trying to enforce it. :rolleyes:

What happens when the 2 years are up? A renewal wasn’t a requirement. But no warning was given that the $600 phone (now $400) can’t be used after those 2 years unless it remains on AT&T. What if I move to Europe? I have to pay AT&T a termination fee. Does this entitle me to an unlock? THis has never been a problem before, but Apple just made it one.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=903

How many iPhone threads are you going to start??? Is that what makes your world turn starting arguments about the iPhone? Give it up

What do you care? Somebody piss in your cereal??? :confused:

I didn't know you cared about what makes my world turn. I'm flattered. :rolleyes:
Did you read the post or did you just assume on your own it was ment to start an arguement? :rolleyes:

Hey you don't like the post... buzz off and go start your own......:nanana:

I dont care what you do or what makes you world turn cheif, it gets a little annoying seeing like 10 different iPhone threads, all started by you, and you making an arguement in all of the about why people should follow rules of the contract and that Apple will be sending updates that will make the phone useless. Why do you give a F!ck what other people do with the phone they bought, you would swear you paid for it or are losing money by them hacking the phone.

dr.jay:

Seriously What's up with the arm wrestle? Nobody's twisting your arm and forcing you to read any of the post i've started or commented in. If my posts annoy you then exercise your mode of intelligence like everyone else does and find another post to get involved in. :nanana:

If i decide to post 100 threads about the iPhone then that's my business. I don't complain about your opinion and the subjects you post about and i expect the same respect from you. If that not good enough for you then that's to bad

But just for your information i don't care what people do with their iPhones just like i don't care about your opinion regarding how many iPhone threads i post in. If i decide to make a point about it then that's my point and my view. You don't like it tough. Right now your annoying me so do us both a favor break it off while i'm still being nice. :nanana:

Hmmm... :popcorn:

Well, I'd like to thank Quicksilver for providing this info on the iPhone. Or more to the point what Apple is doing to their customers. I find it very informative and may have never known about it if it weren't for him. (Thank you QS! :thumbup: )

I have been thinking about getting one of these gadgets but the more I learn the more "nails in the coffin" are put in that idea. It's really a shame, the iPhone is such a cool device :(

:trustme: Dollars to doughnuts a change is on the way. I may get one as well but I'll wait till the dust settles. ;)

:rofl:

Me too! I'd really like to have one, I hope you're right that change is on the way. Apple needs to loosen up a bit. PLEASE, continue to help keep us informed! :thumbup:

[Right now your annoying me so do us both a favor break it off while i'm still being nice. :nanana:[/quote]

You are right I'll stop, I wouldnt want to make you mad :bustingup :bustingup

Looks like Apple is taking one out of Microsoft's play book and realizing there is a reason MS is so successful :)

In case you failed to realize, every phone ever sold by Verizon carries the same exact policy. Their phones do not even use a SIM card, so they cannot be "unlocked". I don't know why everyone is suddenly on Apple's case about this.

It's simple. If you don't use AT&T, then don't get an iPhone. I use them and have used them for years, and will probably continue to use them after my 2 years are up. And if I decide not to, I will go to another carrier and get another phone.

Yes it would be nice if our cell phone industry was like the cell phone industry in Taiwan or certain parts of Europe. In those places, you buy an unlocked phone in an electronics store (just the same way you buy your regular home phone), and then subscribe to a service provider (the same way you get landline phone service), they give you a SIM card, and you put it in your phone. You are not required to sign any sort of contract (same as with landline service). You just go month-to-month.

The only thing about this system that people would complain about is that cell phones are expensive. Even the cheapest ones cost around $100-150, and the good ones are often $600-800. The cell phone companies here subsidize those prices because you are getting the phone with 2-year contract. They often subsidize those prices by $200-300 on a phone. So instead of paying $300 for your average phone, you pay $50 or so. Cheap phones are free, and even your top-of-the-line phones are only around $400 or $500.

Each system has its advantages. But you can bet that until the Justice Dept. begins to enforce anti-trust legislation against companies that both sell the phones and provide the service (a clear anti-trust violation), I would expect this system to continue. If you don't like it, write your congressman.

+1:thumbup:

Thanks for the info but verizion isn't the service in question. We're talkin GSM here.

The comments you see although they look like the might have come from me is a quote from the posted article. :thumbup:

If AT&T had made a GSM phone without a SIM card (i.e. SIM card built-in & part of the internal board), would that have made it ok then? Because that is essentially what Verizon and Sprint have done with all of their phones.

BTW, I think Apple's only mistake here was to make a statement about the unlocked phones. If they had simply kept their mouth shut and issued this "update" which bricks the unlocked phones, I don't think they could be blamed for anything. They could simply say it was a coincidence and that they cannot guarantee that hacked phones will be compatible with their updates. But instead, they had to issue a statement warning people about unlocked phones, and now it becomes obvious that they are intentionally attempting to cause problems for those people with unlocked iPhones.

Also, Apple is not the only GSM phones that are locked to Network. For years T-Mobile has been selling their "Sidekick" that is locked in the same manner. You cannot install your own software on a Sidekick nor can you use it on another network.

Would that have made WHAT OK. :confused: I don't understand your question.

Catch 22. but i believe it was a fair warning.

So what's your point? There are other GSM phones that can be used cross network after unlock.