here's the poll for Knuckles' G.D. spiked collar...
 

Hi,
I am trying to set a multil poll here. Please vote three times, once for each three groups.
My dog is being debated. He is a Boxer and Pitbull cross. Weight 100#.

1. The first three: Do you find his collar unacceptable or acceptable with a nod to irony?

2. 2nd Three: If you saw him appraoching with me, how would you react.

3. Last three: Do you find his name threatening or humorous.

BTW he is not a police dog, just friends of the cops.:thumbup:

realchef, you can incorporate this poll into that other thread you first opened.

Think I did it

cab you find this?

I like the collar, I am a dog lover so I would go up to him

I don't really like the way they look and would probably just think it silly of the owner to put one of those on..... however after reading your story in another post, I can understand why you have done so.

NONE of the dog parks I go to have had issues with dogs fighting, at least none that I've seen. Well, no serious fights, dogs tend to play rough at times and people think it's fighting when it's not.

I have 2 dogs, both adopted shelter pups. One is a lab/chow mix and the other a pitt/akita mix. They are both the sweetest and friendliest dogs yet people shy away from the pitt A LOT! They really have a bad rep and I think if I were to put a collar like that on mine, people would def avoid us wherever we went.

Here’s my opinion on the matter – I’m not going to get into the politics of it nor will I defend my position beyond the explanation that I give.

When I’m in an unfamiliar part of town, especially late at night or when I’m with my girlfriend, I become much more aware of my surroundings and take careful notice to what’s around me. If I have to cross a street two ways to get to my car (straight first, then turn, or turn then straight), I make a decision on what’s a “smarter” choice. If one choice will make me walk right in front of a group of teenagers sitting around on the street and another choice takes me in front of a group of tourists wearing fanny packs and have street maps in their hands, I’m going to walk by the tourists. If I have to hop on public transportation and the whole train is empty and I see someone who is dressed in a trench coat, wearing makeup, has piercings and jewelry everywhere, etc. I’m going to choose to sit by myself or next to a little old lady.

Now each of those individuals may be the nicest, smartest, well intentioned people on the planet. But they also might not be. I would rather not find out because I would rather reduce my chances of any sort of confrontation, especially when I am with a woman or a child. Likewise, if I’m driving down the road and I see a 25 year old clunker car with expired tags, body damage all over the place, with six occupants in a car made for two, guess what? I’m going to either stay behind them or drive quickly pass them. Is that discrimination? Absolutely not – it’s just assessing a situation and choosing an option that, in my opinion, is the less “risky” choice. I don’t care what anyone says about this, but in the SW part of this country, there are a LOT of people that drive without insurance and I would rather drive down the road next to a Bentley than a Yugo.

Now, to equate this to the question at hand. I have a 15 year old Sheltie who is terrified of anything that moves that’s not a person. If I was out walking her, not only would I avoid you and your dog, I would most likely pick my dog up and carry her until you were out of sight. Discrimination? Not a chance – that’s just again assessing a situation that in my opinion carries risk and mitigating that risk. You cannot judge a person who avoids dogs or people they find intimidating because you have absolutely no idea what that person has experienced in their life that may cause a certain type of behavior or other factors at play. For you to assume anything on your part about that person’s behavior is naïve and a much greater transgression in my opinion.

Frankly, I find it very peculiar that you have such an avid paranoia about your dog’s collar that you seek so many opinions on forums about BMWs. It seems more than anything that you’re seeking to start arguments to bring up ancillary issues that you want to talk about. For what it’s worth, if I was out jogging by myself midday at the park and a dog like yours came up to me and I could clearly see that it was a friendly dog, I would probably stop and pet him and give him water (it’s hot here!). However, that totally changes when there are other variables involved.

Vegas,
Nice comments. I am not innocent here.

A forum memeber with showing a tag line that read "ban pit bulls at dog parks" and confronted him, not looking for a fight.?! I have empathy for their fears from been attacked. I do not empathise with their intent to ban an entire breed and that's where the grey started. They sucked me into a seemingly civil discourse. Any way, the whole thing IMO has gone way too far and out of hand.

However, the good news is the poll. It was put up hoping to show them that nobody really cares about my dog's name or the collar he is wearing. And behold!! pretty much, nobody cares. It's my dog, responsiblity, choices. All the public cares about is how anyone's dog behaves when they are around.

I do not find your or anybody's hesitations about my dog distasteful. He can give plenty of presence when first seen from a distance. We deal with hesitant people a few times a week, but it quickly becomes a non issue. That dog has more lipstick on his collar than I do somedays. As of right now, every person we have met off leash has given him a fair chance and he has not disappointed. What is distasteful, is their reluctance to even acknowledge the potential for good behavior. As well, them trying to regulate their fears/opinions onto the populace.

SOOOOOOOOOO done with this. Thanks for the comments and a great 3rd party summary.

Thanks to everyone who commented.

Not a huge dog fan and esp. not of big/aggressive dogs
as it's a bit of a phobia of mine...but I voted for the
"looks good, kinda funny, no prob" pick.

If he was coming at me, I'd try to become invisible. :yikes:

A friend of mine had a similar dog and its name was Killer
and it had a "don't Fook with me" collar which seemed appropriate
for the breed, imo.
GL,mD

Vegas,

BTW, they brought up the collar:dunno: , and even said because his name is Knuckles:rofl: , he is destined to KILL!!:wow:

come on......
:p:

I find it interesting that RealChef always manages to omit a close up of the actual collar.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...2S/knuck-1.jpg

So the next question is, "IF" Knuckles does get into a fight with another dog, how is that collar going to effect the outcome..

It's a weapon... One dog has the weapon, the other doesn't..

And any person who tries to tell me that a Pit Bull needs a weapon for protection is just a, ____________ (I'll let you fill in the blank with whatever words you think belong... Cause none of the words I'm thinking about are very nice.)

Everytime anyone says "Knuckles" it reminds me of this little Japanese video game character from when I was young I used to play with. Preconception is a scary thing...

http://toadscastle.net/images/Advance2_knuckles.jpg
Sonic & Knuckles anyone?
http://www.consoleclassix.com/info_i...creenShot1.jpg

BTW, look at the character's knuckles.:bustingup :rofl: You couldn't have named your dog better, along with the collar!!:D

Not trying to stoke the flames but here's something out of the paper today:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/28441889.html

"PIT BULL ATTACK: Baby killed by dogs identified"

Two pit bull dogs were in the back yard of a house. They "burst" in through the screen door and began attacking a 4 year old girl who was in a stroller. The girl's grandmother grabbed the girl and ran into another room where the dogs forced their way into the room and continued attacking both the girl and the grandmother.

Excerpt:
"She took the baby and tried to escape to a different room in the house.
But the dogs forced their way into the room, police said.

When officers arrived, they found the two dogs with blood on their fur acting aggressively toward them.

Police shot and killed the dogs. The baby's body was on a bedroom floor.

"This is about as severe an attack as I've seen in my 18 years in North Las Vegas," Animal Control officer Dale Smock said last week.
The attack was so brutal that officers and medical personnel who responded are being offered counseling, police said."

As I said before, people will have their reasons for being afraid of these large, strong sometimes uncontrollable animals. No matter what argument anyone makes about how "nice" their pitt bull is, because of stories like this, they will have a bad rap (I personally think it's a well deserved rap). You will NEVER hear of a Pomerenian, Sheltie, etc. breaking through multiple doors and repeatedly attack and kill their human owners - PERIOD. Is it the dog's fault or the owner's fault? I don't give a sh*t - the fact is many loved children have been taken from this earth too soon because of these animals!

A yes, a forum poster who obviously got an A+ in logic....

And I'd like to echo, no one gives a sh*t if it's the dogs fault or the owners fault. It's moot. The kid is dead at the teeth of a Pit Bull who broke through walls to do so.

When deaths like this become COMMON with other breeds, I'll vote to design legislation that includes those breeds as well.

Every year I give to charity. I try to make as nice a contribution as I can afford. This year, my donations are going towards BSL groups. I'm sick of little kids dying because Knuckles or Killer has such a sweet face and was temperament tested.

Oh and BTW - when I was 10 years old, we took in a stray cat who had kittens the next day. My mom let me keep one, and I promptly named it "Harley". I did indeed put a spike collar on Harley as well, so from time to time I think it's humorous indeed :nanana: .



However, a 4 pound kitten is probably a little less intimidating than a dog who weighs more than a lot of people! :yikes:

You know B,
I contribute yearly to the Colorado Lupus Foundation. Lupus is the largest killer in the United States.

You give money to Lupus?

Why? he was the least funny of all the Bears....
http://www.soakingwetchild.net/theba...ars/Lupus3.jpg

If I were giving money to one of them, it would definitely be tanner!
http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/TannerBoyle.jpg

Vegas,
Considering the context under which this news has shown, is there a fund setup for the family? Maybe a few of us can put a little something in.
:huddle

I definitely appreciate the concern! I do not know yet if there is anything set up for the family. I've been following it since it happened but details were slow to come out. Will definitely keep my eye out for any further information! :thumbup: