California Health Code Violation - Dogs on Patio?
 

Hey Gang,

Since we have experts on everything in this place..

Is anyone familiar with an ordinance, rule, law, etc. that doesn't allow dogs on the patio of restaurants?

Of course I know that dogs can't be brought into restaurants but I was always under the assumption that on the patio was okay.

I was recently told that there is a health code violation for having dogs on a patio and a restaurant can be severely fined.

Does anyone have any specific information on the matter?

http://www.windchyme.com/Pages/Cal%2...w/HS114045.htm
http://sfdog.typepad.com/sfdog/california_news/

B-Line you are correct. From what I read it's anywhere food is served, while that makes zero sense since I'd argue it should be where food is "created and prepared" it's CA for you!

I know it's a not highly enforced, I take Biscuit most places on the patio but I have been told from time to time.

Thanks QS,

But doesn't that refer to indoors ????

Cause it says, "in a room" and "in a facility"

Since the dogs are outside, on a patio, isn't that a different interpretation of the law?

That's because not many people consider Biscuit a dog :stickpoke :rofl:

:hug:

Read both links

ahhh, sorry, didn't see the second link...

So it is legal... YAY !~!

B-Line

Seems like your looking for an reason to justify bringing
fido along for your patio experience. May i offer a thought?

It seems that dog owners should know that the presence
of animals in and about eating establishments can make people
uncomfortable. That being the case why not error on the side
of caution and allow the law of human kindness to save the day.
Give Fido time out away from the Patio experience.

Secondly we also know that animals can also be unpredictable.
No need to get into a bad situation because we didn't think Fido
wouldn't go that far..

And no it's not legal; Read it again...... carefully.
I believe if a restaurant decides you can't do it,
then you can't do it.

Hi Barry,

I do appreciate. Thank you. But to be honest, every time I have ever brought Maggie or Nikita to a restaurant, which is often, I get stopped over and over and over again with people who approach my dogs and share the love.
- I have never once received a complaint.

Just to be further clear, if I were sitting down at a restaurant and a couple sitting near me expressed their displeasure with being seated next to a dog, I would move or go to a different restaurant, NO PROBLEM..

I don't impose my dogs on anyone who wishes to not be around them.

So what we are really talking about is public courtesy, be it loud cell phone talkers, screaming kids at movie theaters, smokers, etc.

Some people feel they have the right to do what ever they want to do when ever they want to do it. I'm not one of those people. I constantly try my best to be courteous of other people.

And if someone said, "please don't sit that dog near me" or something to that effect, I would understand and move along.

But I promise you, most restaurants in LA would rather have my business, with my dog at my side, than have me eat at home.

I'm removing myself from the fact that a Californian's and my definition of a dog vary like night and day.

So think about it this way. When Meiac comes over for a job, some girl, or whatever reason, do you want him to bring his 75lb golden retriever to the restaurant you are trying to be on a romantic evening at?

:)

OT...No xpert on "Germany", but during several biz trips to that fine
country, I noticed most dog owners bring their hunds into any
resturant and leave the kids locked in the car. :rolleyes: ... :D

:rofl: I like that idea!

:iagree: I used to bring my Chihuahua to Fashion Valley mall as Saks 5th Avenue would always give him a treat, but that is now banned since a big dog (who's breed shall remain name-less, take a wild guess!) bit a little girl in the face. Sad that my dog now has to suffer.

I have a perfectly behaved dog, and that didn't come cheap but it's my view that like children, pet's should be well behaved and not cause trouble to those around them. He would never jump on the table, urinate on a wall etc so I think it sucks he is not allowed to come enjoy the evening with me.

I agree as well on the love thing, people love Biscuit and he is an attention grabber, but never at the negative for business or people's comfort level.

Basically, I think it's BS :nanana:

Sad that your dog has to suffer??? :dunno:
Your joking right?????

I don't think your dog has a clue about the issue. :rolleyes:

Now my PC switch is off.
Its more cruel to the dogs to lock them up in a handbag for their entire life. :tsk: They're not a friggen fashion accessory.

Dogs are dogs and should be respected as such.

Out of respect for your fellow humans, maybe a 'Dog Restaurant' would be best. There are a few around here who choose to cater to people and their dogs and welcome them openly.

Excellent idea. It would also be appreciated if they advertised their intent. That way I could ensure that I never ended up in one by accident. I have absolutely no problem with doggie establishments existing, it is just that I don't think dogs should be inflicted on those of us who are under the impression that restaurants are for people.

If I may elaborate a little:
After years in the industry, one fact is clear, restaurants should be dog free. Besides the obvious potential health issues and most likely overwhelming your dog:( , the patrons are there to enjoy a meal. Nobody is there to see your dog, even on the patio. Any canine at the door of a non-dog establishment is a clear imposition. While the host may smile, they are cussing you behind your back.:trustme:

When you are out with the dog, plan your day and eat at a dog friendly facility. If you are having trouble finding some, look under bars. There seem to be a few neighborhood bar/restaurants that prefer you DO bring your buddy. e.g. Denver's famous 'DOG BAR' and locally here, the 'Flying Star' has great human food and EVEN a "doggie menu".

Maybe instead of a dog I'll bring a Nigerian dwarf goat... see if that would fly. It is smaller than 1/2 the dogs out there, and makes funny noises! I could say it is a lil goat puppy! And if they turn me away I could say it is "pet discrimination"

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then some whiny ultraliberal who drives a pink, rhinestone encrusted porsche will go off about how we are segregating and need to integrate.

I 100% agree. And while we are making a list of things that should also be banned in restaurants, I would like to include:
A) CHILDREN, any and all of them, under the age of 13.
B) SMOKERS, don't care if you're inside or out, that shit smells bad.
C) Anyone who wears any of that ED HARDY crap, makes me want to puke.
D) CELL PHONE talkers, I don't care about your in-laws stones, that are stuck in her urethra.
E) Drunk morons
F) People who display unnecessary public affection, GET A ROOM.

-- My point is, TOLERANCE... Not everyone is going to agree on what is the right behavior in restaurants, movie theaters, etc.

Is someone with a well behaved dog sitting at a table quietly really any worse than a bunch of smokers or screaming kids?

If the dog is not behaving, that's a different story.

As for the hostess who secretly dislikes your dog, ask her boss, the owner of the restaurant how they would feel if they didn't have your business because you went somewhere else that was more dog friendly..

And since the owner pays the hostess, I say they get the last word. The establishment has the right to not allow pets. And if you enter an establishment where there are dogs, you have the right to walk away and not eat there. But in the long run, owners of most establishments realize that turning away dogs and smokers is bad for business.

I think misbehaving people, whether they be 5 or 50, shouldn't be allowed in. No sense discriminating on age, just behaviour.

Smokers? Ban em all. If I am on a patio that permits smoking, I leave. I make sure the restaurant owner knows why I left, and that I will tell everyone I know about it as well. It is entirely their choice, if they want the smoker's business or mine. Given the reduced number of smokers these days, it is amazing how many move to eliminate smoking. They just need to understand that yes, we do care.

Who is Ed Hardy?

Cell phones should be banned in restaurants. It will come, give it time.

Drunk morons, no question. Ban 'em.

PDA? What is this, high school?

Exceptions to the dog rule made for seeing eye dogs.

As soon as restaurant owners find out that we do mind, and that we will stay away, and that we will work to spread the word, they realize that catering to minorities reduces traffic from the majority. It is entirely their call.

No, a well behaved dog isn't worse than a smoker. I just don't see a reason to have dinner with either. Two wrongs have never made a right.

:rofl:
They repealed B here. !ouch;

B-Line, I'm just trying to help you buddy. :dunno: Why ya buggin'?

Pick up Anthony Bourdain's "Kitchen Confidential". Except for a biker rally, behind the doors of restaurants are the next closest thing one can find which harkens back to the glorious days of lawlessness. :D

Anything with tablecloths should be off limits, for everyone's sake.

(BTW-when I said 'host' I meant the owner, it's his carpet and reputation, not the hostesses)

LOL I can't STAND loud kids, especially in an expensive restaurant. I mean who brings a child to Roys? I sure wouldn't

That's quite a list for someone advocating tolerance. Your list, with the exception of A, is comprised of behaviors which I would generally agree are irritating. The inclusion of A shows your intolerance. You assume that a dog will sit quietly in a restaurant while all children under 13 will not. I'm guessing you don't have children.

We've been taking our children (now 8 and 3) to restaurants since they born, many of which were white table cloth high end restaurants. My oldest daughter has been reading the menu and ordering for herself since she was 4. Over the years we've had many people at adjacent tables, as well as the restaurant staff, compliment us on how well behaved our girls are.

I realize not all children are well behaved 100% of the time. The same could be said for adults.

My list was trying to insinuate SARCASM... Sorry if you think I was being serious.

I say we all need to be tolerant of one another even if the actions of the person in question, offend our desires. What bothers one person might not bother someone else. So rather than puff up in a huffy, just accept it and enjoy the day.

I'm not really insinuating we should ban children. But given the choice, I'd rather sit next to a well behaved dog then a bunch of kids.

I too get compliments on the behaviors of my dog.

Of course there is a time and place for everything. Dogs don't belong everywhere (neither do kids). And there has to be some common sense judgement about where and when.

My point is, we all have to be a little more accepting. And it's not fair for anyone to say, "BUT MY KIDS have been eating in restaurants since they were blah, blah, blah.." - My dogs have been eating on patios since the day I adopted them also. And since one of my dogs is 13, she's been eating at restaurants longer than your kids.

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He's the brain child of Christian Audigier who has had the indecency to assualt my visual senses on every AR-tard wannabe who shops trends:

http://www.couturemoda.net/items%2F8104-001.jpg

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/478896...d_T-shirts.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg

Yes, people really do wear this crap. And I have to sit across from them at meals while trying to hold my lunch down..

Coming soon to a mall near you.

I love the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry David has a loud conversation with an imaginary friend in a restaurant to annoy the guy at the table beside him who's annoying everyone with his loud BT conversation :thumbup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp6H9hR4nIM

Yeah, but can your dog order off the menu? :nanana:

When they invent the personal cell phone killer (a small pen-shaped device that interupts a cell phone call by emitting a jamming signal when pointed at a user) I will be an early adopter. If they can transmit, so can I. Sorry, were you using that frequency? My bad.

:rofl: We must go to different malls.

LOL...

So, how's fashion week in Vancouver, Canada going? Will any designers be unveiling their new line of flannel? :D

Umm... I think you're confusing Vancouver with Wasilla. Big difference.

I've sworn myself off expensive hats since I can't wear my 12 Von Dutch's anymore :rofl:

Completely off topic, but here goes....

While it certainly won't compare to the fashion in New York, Milan, or Rome, one of the fashion shows here that gets attention is Cabriolet, a charity event held at our largest local BMW dealer. Raises money for two hospital charities. Boss, Rosen, etc. No flannel. I am pretty sure there are no dogs there either :D

See the 2007 video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwYYMpEWg8

Bet you didn't see that coming.

:rofl: Yeah, we can't see Russia from here. I bought a snowblower last week, though. Really.

Why do your inferior government funded hospitals need to raise money :nanana:

I miss my snowblower :damn:
but... i'm.... actually... a little... starting to...

like it here? :takecover

Nice try. The charities were breast cancer and prostrate cancer last year. This particular inferior government funded hospital does research and teaching. I should have been more specific. Bet you'd like the fashion show though. You'd just have to leave Bitsy at home (returning to the original topic once again) ;)