That's why they say dealers = stealers ;)

I was offered $12K for my trade and $1K over invoice on an '08 E70 4.8 I was going to order last Aug when BMW had the .9% financing--but I decided to hold off. There's no way it's going to drop off that much a year later and maybe 10K miles extra on it now at 90K.

Whenever I trade in a vehicle, I have always gotten KBB value. When I traded my 2004 330xi to get my X5, I got $1,000 over excellent with $1,000 over invoice on X5. They originally offered just the KBB value, but then I said I was going to check with other dealers (more than 25 within 50 mile radius).

I think you will very easily be able to get the KBB value not to mention $10,000.

of course they offer tip-top to make you sit down and then they break the news.. ha ah

i do that!

they throw you upp in the air and drop you face first..

Nah if they do that then I roll. Tell them you are going to another dealer and they will battle for your business--in this economy dealers need customers. I've had my X5 with this dealer for eight years now and talk to my sales guy every time I'm in for service---you build that relationship and they won't let you down.