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realchef 08-15-2009 11:20 AM

Agnosticism
 
Not meaning to start a conversation on Theology, Religion and Phlosophy but just an FYI.

For those who need the correct information. (IMHO After reading almost everything by Jung, Freud, Neitsche, Heidegger, Berkeley, Plato et al.... it really is the only philosophical tangent that is cohesive on all levels.)

It has NOTHING to do with souls or human actions. It is a school of thought first formerly brokered by Huxley. It is focused along the lines of not knowing or believing in Dieties(gods) or higher life forms(creator).


Agnosticism can be subdivided into several subcategories. Recently suggested variations include:葉he view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."
  • Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
葉he view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day when there is evidence we can find something out." 葉he view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[citation needed] 葉he view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, and do not believe in any.[9] 葉he view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. S�ren Kierkegaard believed that knowledge of any deity is impossible, and because of that people who want to be theists must believe: "If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe." (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs.) 葉he view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[10][dubious � discuss]

statdoc 08-15-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by realchef (Post 650461)
Not meaning to start a conversation on Theology, Religion and Phlosophy but just an FYI.

How can you start a thread like this, and think it is not a conversation on Theology, Religion and Philosophy? What else could it possibly be? :rolleyes: Also, what can you remotely expect to develop from this, other than discord? Those of us who have deep-seated religious faith will still have it, those who don't will not, and no FYI on the subject will change anyone's opinions.

realchef 08-15-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by statdoc (Post 650465)
How can you start a thread like this, and think it is not a conversation on Theology, Religion and Philosophy? What else could it possibly be? :rolleyes: Also, what can you remotely expect to develop from this, other than discord? Those of us who have deep-seated religious faith will still have it, those who don't will not, and no FYI on the subject will change anyone's opinions.

:confused:

No offense intended. In an alternate thread, some incorrect statements were made on this particular strain of thought. Just trying to provide clarity on the subject.

It is not a knock against religious beliefs or non religious beliefs for that matter. Nor does it endorse either. I did state it seems to be the only one cohesive on all levels. That is an observation not an endorsement.

ravenheart 08-15-2009 12:19 PM

That was really interesting - thanks for posting :)

realchef 08-15-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenheart (Post 650475)
That was really interesting - thanks for posting :)

:whistle:
sure,
decided to quit typing my own diatribe and went to wikipedia to cut and paste.


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