30-yrs of global....cooling?
 

Wait, Al, I'm confused...I thought the planet was warming? I'm pretty sure I heard all the 'scientists' saying that...ya know, the planet is 3 degrees warmer than it was 190yrs ago..or something.

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - EPA: Global warming threatens public health, welfare - Blogs from CNN.com

Pretty sure CNN has a whole series documenting the "Planet in Peril" hmmm.

FOXNews.com - 30 Years of Global Cooling Are Coming, Leading Scientist Says

Carlin said it best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4

Wait, are they back on cooling again? Didn't they say that back in the 70's too?

Not exactly related, and no arm wrestle, but the science of the recent
cold spell across the US & Europe...
Those damn high pressure ridges in the Arctic:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...icleInline.jpg

Feeling That Cold Wind? Here’s Why.
By KENNETH CHANG

Published: January 9, 2010




A bitter wind has been blowing over parts of North America, Europe and Asia. Some places have been colder than ever, like Melbourne, Fla., which dipped to 28 degrees last Thursday, a record low. Europe has been walloped by snowstorm after snowstorm.





What’s going on? Global cooling?
Nope. A mass of high pressure is sitting over Greenland like a rock in a river, deflecting the cold air of the jet stream farther to the south than usual.

This situation is caused by Arctic oscillation, in which opposing atmospheric pressure patterns at the top of the planet occasionally shift back and forth, affecting weather across much of the Northern Hemisphere.

What’s notable this year is that the pattern of high pressure over the Arctic is more pronounced than at any time since 1950.

In most years over the past few decades, the opposite has been true: there has been lower-than-average pressure over the Arctic, and higher-than-average pressure over the mid-latitudes — the middle of which cuts through Maine, across the Great Lakes and on to Oregon.

That pattern allows the jet stream to blow unimpeded from west to east and keeps the cold Arctic air largely north of the United States. The result tends to be warmer temperatures across much of the United States east of the Rocky Mountains.

No one is quite sure what drives these flip-flops in air pressure.
“I tend to think of it as a random thing,” said John M. Wallace, who is a professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington. “I don’t think we understand any reasons why it goes one way one year and the other way another year.”

What does seem clear is that these oscillations have nothing to do with global warming, or, for that matter, global cooling. For one, they’re not new. And this winter’s cold has not been global. Santa, by North Pole standards, has been experiencing a balmy winter.

“Pretty much all of the Arctic is above normal,” said Dr. Walter Meier of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. In some areas, the temperatures are as much as 15 degrees Fahrenheit above normal.

In terms of global average temperature, this winter’s arctic oscillation “probably roughly cancels out,” Dr. Meier said. (In fact, last year ranked as the fifth-warmest year on record since 1850, the United Kingdom’s Met Office says.)

And it is certainly not the coldest air that has descended on the United States. In a great blizzard that swept across the East Coast in 1899, even parts of Florida dropped to below zero.
“We’re not close to those types of things,” said Michael Vojtesak of the National Weather Service.


Feeling That Cold Wind? Here?s Why. - NYTimes.com

Just goes to show there are MANY variables which make up our weather patterns. One major variable often overlooked by the doomsayers of global warming is that glowing ball of fire in the sky. Sure...We should work to keep global pollution down to a minimum; but don't bring down the economy in a knee jerk reaction to something science has yet to fully understand.

I just love how this cold weather pattern coincided with that freak show circus in Copenhagen.

I think the truth about global warming probably lies somewhere between Wagner and Mr. Gore's opinions. A few cold winters don't disprove anything. Big picture...big picture.

:iagree: Well said

Wait , what , we are on this topic again .
I am not going to drag out some long winded scientific documents , I happen to know that some of this weather shenanigans is caused by the Earths magnetic field fluctuating , this affects El Nino and other stuff .

You guys need to pay closer attention to the news...
Clearly the mass effect of the dreaded Mad Cow epidemic from a few years ago, has significantly reduced the amount of methane gas in the atmosphere thus minimizing the greenhouse effect and causing temperatures to drop recently.
Not to worry though because the global mass effect of the latest science backed media scare about H1N1 should have enough people on the planet all running a fever at the same time, inevitably raising the ambient temperature to above average any day now.
Stay tuned :popcorn: and believe everything you hear in the news, read in the scientific literature and are told by your mechanic. They must know what they are talking about, they are employed and get paid, right? :dunno:

:thumbup: nice pull MD...so if it is cold it is global warming and if it is warm it is global warming. Sounds like a win/win for the environmentalist industry..woohoo.

Blame it on your dog, it has a larger carbon footprint than your SUV :)
Dogs Have Bigger Carbon Footprint Than SUVs | Drudge Retort


Point is, it is BS to change your entire way of life (or a nations), go in debt and stop the world on this bogus research ;)

My feet are cold. I could stand some warming right now. Anybody got Al Gore's number handy?

How about a Decade of declining temperatures?

Funny how the global warming crowd never talks about the giant glowing ball we see in the sky sometimes. I seem to remember holding my hand up to the "SUN" and feeling a warming sensation on my hand. I wonder if it goes through cycles:dunno:...Hmmmmm. Solar cycles.

1-800-DIPSHIT

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e.../sn0w-dees.jpg

I am not saying I have all the answers, but even a decade is a flash in the pan. This topic is about as polarized as religion, but I happen to think it is very possible for what we have been doing to the planet to have some adverse affects on temperature. We have messed with the earths atmosphere big time and it seems silly to hear some people be so sure that becuase it snowed in April or that temperatures have declined for 5 or 10 years that there is no way what we are doing is affecting anything. :rolleyes: For every story about declining temperatures someone has, someone else has a photo of grass covered field that was just recently covered with a glacier.

I also don't subscribe to the "don't worry about it" and "no major action needed" groups. Global warming aside, we need to change the way we live anyway. How can limiting what we use and how much we pollute be a bad thing? Less waste, less pollution, more recycling, cleaner cars (especially large fleets like city busses) less electricity...all of these are good things and much better for our health and envirionment anyway. Why not participate and make the air we breathe and the water we drink cleaner for all of us? Makes no sense to me.:dunno:

:iagree:Excellent points.

Even if global warming is cause 100% naturally, it will have an effect on our civilization and something will need to be done to mitigate the effects. Arguing about why it is happing is pointless as long as it is happening.

He's on a corporate jet flying across country right now, and then will be picked up by a few Secret Service agents in about 4 Chevy Suburbans and driven home to his 4000 sq foot energy wasting home, I'll have him return your call once he's out of the hot tub.

:iagree:

Then I guess we all need to sell our X5's that get 20mpg or less, and drive a Prius that gets an est. 50-60mpg...:confused:

One thing that P&%^$sses me off is that these guys who are "warning" us about global warming are still living in huge houses that usurps large quantities of energy, and still ride their private jets instead of taking commercial flights. If you truly believe that this phenomenon is a real threat, wouldnt you change your lifestyle first before we tell others to do so? But wait: these guys are RICH and can "offset" their pollution by buying "carbon credits"! That's the solution to global warming! BUY CARBON CREDITS to offset your 15mpg SUV!!!:thumbup:

Yeah, the X is my wifes ride. It was her choice. I tried to talk her into a car. Don't get me wrong, I do love the X now that we have it, but I was very anti-SUV before she bought it. I never even considered owning an SUV as my personal car. I also didn't throw too much of a fit because the X5 was so safe. Knowing she was going to be driving it daily made me feel good. That outweighed the environmental factor.

Besides her X5, we are pretty good about using CFL's, recycling everything possible, HVAC, not buying plastic water bottles, etc.

I agree though that Gore and others were/are huge wasters of resources as they preach conservation.

:rofl: you know how toxic a CFL is? you know the level of Mercury in that bad boy? That is my point exactly, people rushing out to do things (BUY things) they are told are "good" as opposed to all those "bad" ones.

Funny how US home building standards don't go up to make sure every new home is energy efficient, but you can get credits out the butt to modify yours after purchase...yeah..that doesn't seem like a scam at all.

And recycling...JOKE. Plastics are fun to recycle...
When Recycling Is Bad for the Environment | Pollution | DISCOVER Magazine

I'm all for people not being huge pigs. I'm all for airports vehicles and mass-transit vehicles being hydrogen powered. (see LAX) But making sweeping policies to create bogus "credits" and "cap & trade" is nothing more than a money making scheme that the majority of morons have assumed is somehow beneficial to something, though they can't prove what :)

tangent over :rofl:

I went for these. Not as much mercury as others. :thumbup: Wish there wasn't any used at all, but what are you gonna do?

Energy saving lightbulbs by EarthMate

I understand it takes energy, resources and chemicals to recycle, but I don't see how it can be bad overall.

I am just saying that I try to do my part. I could be much better, but there are many people doing less. I think that attitude it better than just saying there is no problem at all.

Edit; This was the third paragraph of the article you linked;

Recycling is generally far better than sending waste to landfills and relying on new raw materials to drive the consumer economy. It takes two-thirds less energy to make products from recycled plastic than from virgin plastic. By the last official measure in 2005, Americans recycle an estimated 32 percent of their total waste, which averages nearly a ton per person per year, around a third of which is plastic. Our recycling efforts save the greenhouse gas equivalent of removing 39.6 million cars from the road.

Sounds like recycling is awesome!

Yes, recycling in specific instances in the WAY WE DO IT NOW. No Cap & Trade or useless govt. programs. Amazing what people will do on their own! :) That is my point.

I am onboard with that. I was referring to more of a personal responsibility thing in my earlier posts.

Also forgot to mention that home building has gotten much better over the years. In my area, homes built 20 years ago had single pane windows, hardly any insulation, more air leaks and so on. Not to mention some of the matierials used 20-40 years ago could be toxic. Now most new construction features double pane windows, more/better insulation in the walls and attic, more energy efficient kitchen appliances, water heater, tiolets, faucets, HVAC systems and so on. It is generally much, much better, so I see giving credits to bring the older homes up to date with this newer construction as a good thing.

I just replaced a 20-year old commode with a new 1.4 gallon/flush model and received a $100 credit applied to my county water bill. What is so bad about that?

Will you just knock it off with the common sense already. Green activists believe those against these green measures are dumping our toxic waste in our backyards. I'm willing to bet most of us on the Conservative side are some of the most consciences people on the planet. it's called personal responsibility which applies to every aspect of life. We preach personal responsibility and are ridiculed by those on the left.

Their message is you need the government in your lives because you can't think or do things on your own. With that said it makes sense that they want everything related to the environment mandated by the government. Besides, if people were given more freedom in their lives what role would be left for our government? Possibly protecting those rights and freedoms? There's a concept.

One clarification. When I say "Conservative" I don't mean "Republican",

We are in an Interglacial Period. Could slip into an ice age any time in the next
5000 years...Last Ice Age ended 13,000 yrs ago. Last same heat and CO2
measurements we had like this were 15 mil yrs ago...All the planets in our solar system are warming. Our temps depend on much more than man can control.

Yeah lets don't trash the place either. But don't tell me I gotta pay Al Gore
because of Nature's evolution. IMHO...