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FeelGoodUnInc 01-28-2010 05:26 PM

Question to the BodyBuilders
 


My question. how do you achieve a fuller, more evened out chest? I do workout consistently and have been for the past 2 years, I don't go crazy just moderate workouts but I do tend to focus more on my chest.

Now the difficult part to explain..I want to get that full proportioned chest look with the full line in the middle where the pecs are almost square shaped (hope that makes sense) whereas mine, although I do have a line my pecs look more of an upside down triangle, which I must admit does look good but at times looks perky especially when I wear some types of shirts. It just seems all my pec muscles are stuck in the upper region so trying to see what I'm missing.

For my chest I usually do dumbell fly's, incline cable crossovers, bench press..I have a gym at my complex so were limited to those..do I need to include a decline workout? I guess I should just pay for a membership and get tips from the trainers but here's me being lazy!



Thunder22 01-28-2010 06:57 PM

Not that I'm a body builder, but are you doing high weight and low reps or low weight and high reps?

FeelGoodUnInc 01-28-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder22 (Post 706168)
Not that I'm a body builder, but are you doing high weight and low reps or low weight and high reps?

ive been sticking to high weights (for me) and reps of 8-10 (2-3 sets)

i thought exercises such as the decline bench would do it but now i read the regular bench press already targets the lower chest..hmm so now i'm totally lost!

LobsterX 01-28-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelGoodUnInc (Post 706180)
ive been sticking to high weights (for me) and reps of 8-10 (2-3 sets)

i thought exercises such as the decline bench would do it but now i read the regular bench press already targets the lower chest..hmm so now i'm totally lost!

If you think that your upper chest looks more developed than your lower, stop doing any incline exercises and concentrate on flat bench and decline presses. You should include dips in the mix. How's your bodyfat percentage? That also affects how the "line" at the bottom of your chest will look.

FeelGoodUnInc 01-31-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LobsterX (Post 706185)
If you think that your upper chest looks more developed than your lower, stop doing any incline exercises and concentrate on flat bench and decline presses. You should include dips in the mix. How's your bodyfat percentage? That also affects how the "line" at the bottom of your chest will look.

Thanks I'll try to focus on the declines for sure as well as the dips. I've no idea about my bodyfat %

realchef 01-31-2010 06:05 PM

Alternating from high weight to low wieght in your daily sets leans. Low weight to high weight builds.

Must take in protein (dairy whey is ideal) within 30 mins AFTER any workout. Be mindful, the avg. body can only process 30 g protein at a time, ALL extra hits the waste stream.

Lowfat chocolate milk is the best off the shelf recovery beverage. A protein ADDED lowfat flavored milk is the best overall beverage. (good reference page, Shamrock Farms – Dairy Nutrition )

FeelGoodUnInc 02-02-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by realchef (Post 707150)
Alternating from high weight to low wieght in your daily sets leans. Low weight to high weight builds.

Must take in protein (dairy whey is ideal) within 30 mins AFTER any workout. Be mindful, the avg. body can only process 30 g protein at a time, ALL extra hits the waste stream.

Lowfat chocolate milk is the best off the shelf recovery beverage. A protein ADDED lowfat flavored milk is the best overall beverage. (good reference page, Shamrock Farms – Dairy Nutrition )

thanks for those facts, I had absolutely no idea! My usual routine is high to low, if I do low to high I tend to burn out quicker but since my goal is to build i'll stick to the low to high plan.. now what about reps? do I need to push the same amount of reps per each weight? My usual routine is

realchef 02-02-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelGoodUnInc (Post 707962)
thanks for those facts, I had absolutely no idea! My usual routine is high to low, if I do low to high I tend to burn out quicker but since my goal is to build i'll stick to the low to high plan.. now what about reps? do I need to push the same amount of reps per each weight? My usual routine is

Most people work off 10 rep sets.

StanF18 02-02-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LobsterX (Post 706185)
If you think that your upper chest looks more developed than your lower, stop doing any incline exercises and concentrate on flat bench and decline presses. You should include dips in the mix. How's your bodyfat percentage? That also affects how the "line" at the bottom of your chest will look.

:iagree:

Lobster makes some good points. I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm more into the powerlifting routines. But regardless of whether you're bodybuilding or powerlifting you need to start with a whole body baseline and figure out your bodyfat percentage. Most gym trainers will give a complimentary fitness evaluation, which includes bodyfat. Your diet will have as much (if not more) impact on your "lines" as your lifts. Specifically, high quality protein, calcium, and total caloric intake. You also need to set realistic goals. Unless you're an NFL wide receiver or an anorexic-bulemic, you're not going to get down to 6% body fat. Nor would you want to. If you can get to around 10-12%, you're in the right territory for the cuts and definition you're seeking.

I can go on for quite a while about other stuff, like getting your bench to skyrocket in a hurry, but I'll shut up for now since that was not your question.:thumbup:

dirtdevilnc 02-02-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StanF18 (Post 708026)
:iagree:


I can go on for quite a while about other stuff, like getting your bench to skyrocket in a hurry, but I'll shut up for now since that was not your question.:thumbup:

I would like to know how to make my bench skyrocket in a hurry!

FeelGoodUnInc 02-02-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtdevilnc (Post 708031)
I would like to know how to make my bench skyrocket in a hurry!


mhm! me too!

StanF18 02-03-2010 01:26 AM

OK, I'll bite. There are 2 "old school" approaches where you use 1) wooden boards, as well as 2) chains as part of your benching. There's a lot more to it than I can fit into one post. But I'm sure the information is out there if you Google it.

Basically with boards, you are laying a thick plywood board lengthwise on your torso while benching. Someone definitely needs to hold it steady, while another guy acts as a spotter. So you do need 2 guys to assist. You can use a 2-board, meaning 2 boards glued together, or you can go as high as a 4-board or 5-board. You're benching the same way. But now the bar hits the board long before it comes all the way down to your chest. So you are essentially working just the TOP END of your benching motion. You would do this towards the end of a traditional benching workout. Because you are using just the top end movement, you are able to do 10-20% more than your typical working weight. The 4-board is obviously easier than a 2-board, since you're not coming down as low. Note that you are never doing this "instead" of a classic bench. This is in addition to a routine bench. What it allows you to do is further stimulate those muscles that get "stuck" in a middle "sticking point" on a full range of motion bench. You are working your top-end muscle fibers, i.e. the ones that are involved in the top portion of the bench.

Chains meanwhile, are just that. They are typically 20 to 30 pound chains that you would wrap around each end of the bar, after you have loaded the plates. You want the bottom part of each chain "feathering" the floor. And you want the free hanging portion of the 2 chains to be equal in length, i.e. symmetrical on both sides. The concept here is progressive resistance on the way up. When the bar is on your chest, most of the chain is on the floor. As you're moving the bar up, you are lifting more and more weight during your rep as more of the chain leaves the floor.

These 2 techniques are definitely old-school and you will not see them in today's ultra-modern high-tech gyms. But very experienced powerlifting/bodybuilding trainers will know how to do it and how to set you up. Amazingly, these 2 techniques will accelerate your classic bench press much quicker than just doing classic bench presses!:thumbup:

Typically you never want to do more than one heavy bench workout per week. But that doesn't mean you're only hitting your chest once a week. You definitely want to hit your chest and triceps twice a week. Your second workout is called an "assistance" workout. It is to assist your next benching workout. This would consist of at least 6 to 8 sets of incline dumbell presses, as well as flat bench dumbell peel-offs and tricep presses.

I'm not even going to get into diet. Just a couple of notes: Everyone concentrates on protein which is definitely important. But everyone forgets that musculature is just one part of the equation. The muscles are attached to ligaments, which are attached to BONES. You need to feed your skeleton, not just your muscles. This is easy to do. Take a Calcium supplement (normal dose). Calcium + Vitamin D is a good way to go. And Glucosamine-Condroitin-MSM for joint support. That's it. No need to go crazy with a million supplements that all put unnecessary strain on your kidneys and liver. Just remember that as your lifts get heavier, skeletal support is critical, feed those bones with the calcium and glucosamine they need, and they will return the favor.

chilliwilli 02-03-2010 09:12 AM

Good info from others...along with flat and decline bench, i suggest bringing your hands/grip closer together...this concentrates more of the middle of your chest area. Alternate on off days with similar strategy doing pushups.

Also consider a combination of cardio before or after lifting sessions.


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