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2009 X5, Gone so soon.....
Almost two months ago I purchased a brand new 2009 X5 3.0 and got rid of it a few nights ago for for a 2010 Acura MDX w/Tech.
Although I have owned many luxury cars in the past, this was my first BMW purchase so I was very excited to experience the ultimate driving machine. Let me cut to the chase, I WAS NOT IMPRESSED! The X5 wasn’t a bad vehicle by any means but to proclaim that it leads the pack in luxury SUV’s is a huge assumption especially after purchasing the 2010 Acura MDX. Here are a few annoyances regarding the BMW X5: 1) Premium Sound - My X5 did not come with the premium sound system and from what others are reporting, I am not missing a thing. The way i see it, the stereo options are crap and premium crap! I came from a Lexus with Mark Levison audio and my X5 pales in comparison. Truthfully, the base system in my coworkers Rav4 blows the doors off my X5. 2) Running Boards – Did anyone in BMW R&D check these running boards for their usefulness? Running boards are an accessory that looks nice but are rarely used. They should respond when called upon but for the most part stay out of the way. The running boards on the BMW X5 are the most intrusive running boards on any car I’ve seen. Climbing in and out while trying to avoid your pant leg rubbing against the running boards is a lesson in acrobatics..especially in the rain! 3) iPod / USB Integration – The iPod integration is nice but the iDrive system makes searching through 1000’s of songs a tedious task. 4) Navigation – Although the navigation system works, it should be completely blown away and started again from scratch. The current system seems antiquated when compared to the systems used in even non-premium vehicles. 5) Key – Without Comfort Access, you are required to insert the key fob and then push the start button. Why not equip the vehicle with a fully keyless start system OR the traditional key-turn start system. Why a hybrid of both? 6) Engine – I found the engine to be hit or miss. Sometimes the vehicle seemed snappy off the line and other times it felt like I was walking a dinosaur on a leash. Putting the transmission in Sport Mode or manually shifting gears is definitely the way to improve performance. 7) Ride - Around the city the SUV rode fairly rough (maybe due to run flats) but on the highway everything settled down to a buttery smooth glide. 8) Backup Camera - Seriously? The picture was so grainy and dark it was almost useless at night. 9) Wow Factor – Completely missing never to be found after almost two months of ownership! 10) Conveniences - $60k vehicle without a sunglass holder is absolutely absurd! Yes I know this is minor inconvenience but at the same time a sunglass holder is a minimum expectation for a vehicle of this price. What if the X5 didn’t include power side mirrors or sunroof? 11) Maybe if I had purchased an X5 with a more robust engine most or all of these annoyances would have been easier to overlook. 12) Backup sensors- The backup sensors were cool but because the display took so long to load, often times I would hear a beep without a visual because I had to wait and wait and wait..... Although I haven’t owned the MDX long, I have been able to make a few preliminary comparisons. There is one area where the BMW X5 immediately trumps the MDX and that is road manners (i.e. tightness). This was immediately evident during the test drive and further pronounced on my drive home. The BMW X5 feels like it was carved out of steel thus giving it a more solid and tighter feel overall. If the main reason for buying an X5 is performance their is none better but if one is looking for a vehicle that is intuitive, well thought out, and connects with the driver on multiple levels besides whats under the hood, there are many alternatives to choose from. Over time I'm sure there will be things about the MDX that are annoying starting with the super slippery steering wheel but so far, the 2010 Acura MDX is an incredible SUV and I couldn't be happier with my decision. Do I think the Acura MDX is a BETTER vehicle.....No! Do I think the Acura MDX is a better vehicle "FOR ME"......ABSOLUTELY. Let me also say the dealership where I purchased the X5 was also a factor in getting rid of the X5. Without a doubt that was the worse buying experience ever! |
CYA.
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I belong to alot of forums for various products and one thing that has puzzled me about them all is the belief by forums members that if they LOVE a product so should everyone else. Maybe most folks are just insecure or extremely sensitive but either way, the childish icons, etc are humorous on many levels.
I am sure forums would be more useful if there were not a differing of opinions and everyone spent all their spare time on the forums praising the products and each other. I even went to extra lengths to praise the X5 because I knew there would be owners on this board who would become butt-hurt over a differing opinion. ;-) Instead of being someone who depart the board spewing negativity i thought I'd provide substantive feedback of albeit minor annoyances but major to me. However, none of which diminishes the vehicle as a whole. In case you didn't hear me the first time I will say it again.........THE BMW IS A GREAT SAV BUT THE ACURA MDX IS A BETTER FIT FOR ME! Feel better now............ |
If you're happy with your Acura, then that's Great, but they do call these "The Ultimate Driving Machines" for a reason!
It's because while you're talking about intuitiveness and stuff like that, I'll talk about how our X5 responds to me! When I decide to lean on it a bit and maybe take some corners at a slightly higher than legal limit, that's when ours talks to me. I do agree that some of the gadgets in these are "Prehistoric" compared to some that are out there, but as far as driver's feed back and responding to my commands, your Acura falls WAAAAY SHORT in comparison! That's just my opinion and I've driven both! Granted, we have a 4.8i, so that in itself makes it much more fun than the 3.0i, so I'll give you that one! By the way, enjoy the Acura forum! :D |
Well, it sound like you did get "the ultimate driving machine" by your own evaluation. But it appears you were looking for "the ultimate luxury vehicle," which BMW is not, at least not in my opinion. To my mind, the only good reason to buy a BMW is if you place an overriding importance on handling and driving feel -- BMW frankly is not as good as much of the competition in other areas. Heck, my Mother's 2008 Ford Taurus has better i-pod integration, sound system, a better self-dimming rear view mirror, and even has small touches, like illuminated window switches and a temperature gauge, that the X5 lacks.
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Shame on both of you's.
Now you apologize right now. Using those childish icons in the face of extremely sensitive one's violates rule # 65789, sub-section B Line 42 paragraph 1542.........:bustingup Quote:
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So you like the Acura better? That's great, it's a great SUV. Go enjoy it. What reaction did you expect from your post? Crying? Sadness? Mental breakdowns at the thought of you leaving the board? People begging you to stay? :confused: :bustingup:bustingup What was your purpose in writing a long winded goodbye? Do you think that your OP was insightful? I mean come on, you don't like the running boards, or IPOD integration, the stereo is subpar and you have to push a button to start the X? :rolleyes: You should send that critique to Car and Driver, I'm sure they'ld love to offer you a job lol. By the way, my hearing is just fine. You're being a bit presumptuous with your reaction to my "CYA" post, I couldn't care less if you drive an X5 or an MDX or an ML, go enjoy yourself. Sometimes a "CYA" is just that.... a "CYA". :wavey: :wavey: P.S. I hope the color of your new Acura matches your purse. :stickpoke |
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1. Get the bigger engine! Unlike others, I don't think the X5 with the 3.0 engine is slow however you have to hit the gas pedal just right to get a snap off the line. What's weird is if you press the gas pedal using the heel-to-toe method, the vehicle is sluggish off the line. However, if you raise your heel a bit and press the top half of the gas pedal the acceleration is very much improved! Why? I have no idea but I tested this for almost two months and it worked every time. 2. Get a fully loaded or nearly fully loaded. "To me" a responsive engine is a good thing to have but the bells and whistles are what makes mundane errands worth it! 3. Patron a different dealership!!! Thanks for the well wishes! |
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BTW, carrying a purse isn't really my cup of tea but I do have a pretty fat wallet so a man bag may be more appropriate. :thumbup: Thanks for the well wishes................ |
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Wow, now I am happy that you're not a BMW owner anymore. CYA :wavey: |
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Yeah Thunder22, you're right I do! |
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How about this, I am so sorry if you feel slighted or defensive! |
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That's a friggin creepy choice of words dude. Wow. You're sick. |
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Haven't you heard........... When someone just won't shut up the best thing to do is agree with them and hope like heck they leave you alone. Thats all I am doing is agreeing with everything you say because you are always right! Yes Thunder22 if you say I am creepy, I am creepy! |
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Dude what is your education level because i am questioning your ability to comprehend? Have you ever been around kids who act like pests and to appease them you just agree with everything they say? That's what i meant when I said, "I have to do you like i do my lil nieces and nephews". Geez! |
Wait...so You want to do Thunder22..? :confused:
What exactly are we talking about doing :stickpoke Just messin.. I have 2 MDX's in our garage as well as an X5 (among others). Whatever you feel suits you and your needs, nothing else matters. |
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:rofl: Thanks man! Some folks on the Acura forum are joking with me about my opinion that the X5 is a more solid vehicle compared to the Acura MDX. People who have driven both know what i am talking about. What do you think as a two time MDX owner? Hey if you or anyone else on this forum need the "Y" connector iPod cable give me a shout and I will give you a good deal on one I am no longer using. |
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The MDX's are actually my dads. He has had every year MDX from 2004 until 2009. He kept a 2006 for the old shape, and has a 2009 as well (soon 2010). He also has BMW's, Range Rovers and others, but he likes the MDX best. I drive the MDX quite a bit and it is a very good SUV. What exactly to you mean by solid? As for me, I personally chose the Range rover when I was going to get my new car but ended up getting the X5. Now for my new car (2010), I am split between the X5M and Range Rover and am having a very hard time picking ONE. |
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I fully agree with the last sentence about BMW dealership. My experience - most are the dealership have chip on their shoulder. They do not want to talk to you if you are not driving a ‘luxury’ car. |
I owned a 2008 MDX (after owning an E53 X5) and switched back to the 2008 E70 X5 after owning the MDX for 6 months.
You are completely correct about the navigation, iPod, parking sensors, and backup camera. Thankfully my spiffy 2010 X5 solved all of that and BMW throws in top view to boot. But -- I thought the MDX sound system was disappointing, nothing better than the MDX. Honda is pretty famous for dull stereos. And for the driving aspect, that was my primary reason for leaving the MDX. The MDX lacked feel and felt too much like a truck for me. The engine had less power (even though it's rated higher) and a slower 0 - 60 (by a little bit). While the MDX was a little smoother on bumpy roads, it also was softer in the twists. Finally the MDX interior felt cheaper to me, lower leather quality and some harder plastics. But I don't fault you at all for switching. Get what you are happy with and enjoy it. BMW isn't Acura or Lexus, the entire experience is different (more raw in my mind). Happy MDXing. |
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As for the solid feel...... I can't describe it but the X5 felt like a solid tank and when I closed the door it was as if I was in a vault. The only other vehicle I have experienced this in are the Mercedes. Definitely provides a sense of safety when barreling down the road at 60mph. Kudos to BMW! |
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Not so fast because I pulled up in a Lexus GX470 and was still treated like sh!t :dunno: |
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Thanks for your well wishes. |
We all look for different things in vehicles. That's why there are so many vehicles out there. For me the X5 > MDX, but that's just my opinion. Good luck with the MDX. Be safe :thumbup:
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Lex2BMW, from your list of complaints, I can tell what is important you you in a vehicle and it sounds to me like you made the right choice switching to a Japanese car. You could have also went with a Buick. Different strokes I guess. The things that bothered you (sunglass holders, MP3 input, key fob, back-up camera/sensors, running boards, etc) wouldn't even be noticed by me. Instead I would be focused on the powerful brakes, brilliant steering feel, silky smooth engine and great looks.:driver:Glad you found a vehicle to suit your needs though. :thumbup:
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I guess so with the exception of the Buick......Well actual the Buick Enclave is a very nice vehicle even though I am too young to own one. :D I also owned a Mercedes ML which was in no way as sporty as the X5 (or nearly as attractive) but just as luxurious, comfortable, and feature packed as the Japanese automakers. |
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:iagree:Actually if you re-read my post I didn't agree with the assumption that if you pull up in a non-luxury vehicle you are treated like crap. I just got a bad seed for a dealership. |
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Not surprised on your opinions on MB. Traditionally, BMW's are performance oriented, MB is luxury oriented. Was it a first gen ML? If so, it was truck based. |
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Also, don't forget that after you push the key fob on your new Acura, step on your new running boards, put your destination in the navigation system, plug in your MP3 player, watch yourself back up via the cameras, turn up the premium stereo and grab your sunglasses out of the handy holder...you still have to drive and in that respect BMW (is far) > Acura. :stickpoke ;)
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Ouch!!!!! :D Just for saying that I am going to pull up right beside you pumping some R&B and watch the younger girls (18>) jump in my ride! What!!!?? |
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X5 would own the MDX any day as far as looks go, and picking up girls. Acura Vs. BMW, BMW will always win. Quote:
I was never too impressed with the MDX system 2009<. But the way you are saying the Mark Levinson is, I did not find ours to be that good. We have a RX400h with the high-end sound system and never really liked it. I still like my Bose best. |
Glad to see you found something that fits you...Personally I dislike where BMW has gone with it's interior in most models...except the 1er which still looks somewhat old school :)
I consider myself somewhat lucky...I am not into all the extras starting from back-up sensors to 'electronic oil dip stick' and i-pod integration stuff...I still very much enjoy the E53 interior...and despite the many problems i've had along with time and money i've put into it I sill enjoy driving it more than anything :) I'll be waiting for an aggressive interior again before I go on to bye a new bimmer ;) And BTW good luck with the new car :) |
I have 2006 Acura RL and its stereo blows away my X5's stereo. Granted, my X5 doesn't have Logic 7, but I've heard Logic 7 in both 335i and 750i, and Acura RL stereo still sounded more detailed (a bit weaker bass though). So when someone says 2010 MDX stereo sounding good, I do not doubt it much, although, MDX stereo is rather a cheaper 5.1 version compared to RLs (Bose 5.1).
It is hard to imagine MDX having better driving dynamics than RL. With that said, when I get into my X5, I feel like getting into a sports car compare to RL. So I can imagine how MDX would feel in comparison. With that said, MDX may be a good car for others but it would not be my choice. :thumbup: |
All of your concerns/issues have been around for a couple years---I'm sure you researched some of these so none of it should have been a surprise for you once you go it. Good luck with the Acura.
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I think its good to say that you got what you deserved.... BMWs are not for you, man !!! Go and drive MDX.... Maybe Honda Civic was your first car, Honda Accord your next and now you wanted a luxury car..... So ACURA is FOR YOU !!!
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I am on my 25th or 26th vehicle so it is hard to keep track of them all. But you are correct in saying the Honda brand was my first car......Accord to be exact. Over time I've owned Mercedes, Audis, Infiniti's etc I've also owned two Acura's (Integra and 1st gen MDX) :D |
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Actually like a dumb@ss i didn't do research first which is so unlike me. :dunno: |
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It is the truck feel I am used to which makes me feel safe, unlike the X5 which is like a sports car. As far as accidents go, my Denali would get a scratch where as any other car would be wrecked. The X5 gets touched by another car, and a big hole appears in the bumper/panel. Also, your drive within a couple inches of a curb, and your wheel gets a chunk taken out of it. |
I didn't read through 5 pages here, but these all the things in your OP you should have noticed on a test drive.
My mother-in-law drives an RX400h and loves it. I'm sure the MDX is a great vehicle, good luck with it. |
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Ours is a loaded up X5 4.8i, so that Definitely might make a difference in your opinion. I still have to agree with Penguin in that we are a little behind in the most up to date gadgetry, but like I said, it more than makes up for it when I drive it! It sounds like you like the "Creature Comforts", and things like that and if so, you made a good decision! Besides, if you're Happy, that's all that counts! Some Guys on here get upset if you talk badly about the vehicle that we're Passionate about, but you're entitled to your opinion, even if we might not agree with it. Quote:
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Wheew "Blown Away" :D |
:rofl::rofl::thumbup: ...and there I was thinking it happened cuz you were the 1000 customer ;) heheh
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All those things bother me, too.
I've noticed all the things you mention about the X5, too. But I'm committed to the diesel so am staying put. For long family trips the X5 has far exceeded my expectation on MPG, ride, noise level, and comfort. I hope BMW monitors these forums and tries to incorporate some tweaks (especially the time needed for backup camera to come online--it's instant in my wife's Sienna).
I've recently had a disappointing snow/ice experience with the X5 and am trying to figure out if vehicle mass vs. DSC vs. AWD type vs. operator error contributed. The same situation would not have been a problem in my three prior Audi's. The SH-AWD in the MDX sounds interesting. Please post any impressions you have about it. -jclarkv |
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Nope, I have 2009 [EOM]
I got the first 2009 sold by my local dealer.
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I can say that the best mod that we've made to our X5 is a set of run flat Blizzak winter/snow tires. It's a different animal now and has gone through everything that we've thrown at it! Just a thought and not only does it give you an extra sense of security, but it helps the truck to perform like it was designed to. My only fear now is that while ours can perform so well, someone without the advantage that we have will run into us because they can't stop or turn like we can! |
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BTW, I could do just about anything in the Denali that I could in the X5. :D |
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I agree and keep two sets of wheels for this reason. One set has summer/rain tires, the other winter tires.
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Accident avoidance depends mostly on the driver, IMO. I know the 2 are not comparable as far as performance goes. |
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Anyways, I consider myself as an experienced driver. |
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I was driving 100 on the highway and a marble slab flew off a truck and hit my windshield on the drivers side, yet I was able to stay in control. The car to my side saw the piece flying (it didn't hit him) and started swerving all over the place. I have no way of explaining the second situation other than I was going 90 and a camel jumped in front of me and all the cars around me started slamming their breaks and got into a big accident, yet I was able to get out without hitting a car or the CAMEL! Those may be 2 normal cases, but I find myself lucky that I got out of both of them. |
80% of drivers think their driving skills are above average. Most of the rest say they are "average."
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wasnt the acura rated higher than the x5?
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As always, ratings depend upon an individual's personal preferences and weightings... I'm not sure mine would match U.S. World and News Report, e.g., Consumers Reports downgrades BMW's because of idrive and, in the case of the X5, a "choppy" ride. Well, for me, I'll take better handling over less choppiness, although other people may not. Reading the reviews for specific information and opinion is useful, but those composite scores and overall rankings are rather worthless. |
Have y'all read the most recent SUV review in the current edition of "Whyireef's Reports?"
The '09 (and '10) BMW X5 35d won the "Best vehicle ever conceived!" award, with the distant runner-up some unkown Asian brand that phonetically sounds like a short green Jedi master... Besides, the suspension design on the MDX is better suited for an Accord, not a rugged off-road heavy vehicle... |
The MDX vs X5 issue has raged on since the E53. In April 2007 Roundel did a comparison of the X5 and MDX, the X5 didn't fair so well. Not sure if they plan to do a comparison again. It really is two different types of styling between Asian and European so at the end of the day it really comes down to personal preference. But to dismiss the MDX as beneath the X5 is silly, just because you pay more doesn't mean it is worth more.
Interesting comparison table: Acura MDX vs. BMW X5 car comparison, compare auto pricing, specs, and features |
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I personally think the MDX styling is horrible. The front angles make it look like an amphibious vehicle ready to drive into water. I also wouldn't drive a car with front wheel drive bias. I know this MDX is an 07 and the newer ones have a slighlty better profile, but this is still the first thing I think of when someone says MDX.
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Its a downgrade, from BMW to Acura... no matter how you put it... he'll realize
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To each his own. I don't know what the OP expects most will say on this forum.. Regardless, I am sure the MDX is nice; I test drove one once. We all make different choices. I don't try to convince anyone my car is the best, so why should anyone else.
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A few years ago this line sounded just about right... Now it's all about the name...because what you find in an X5 you find in an MDX as well and so fort with other car manufacturers. |
Then by all means go out and buy a "Mitsubishi Shogun"......:D
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Well at least Acura doesn't announce a new engine every year! My checkbook cannot keep up with BMW! Am I bitter now that I have a 35d and now want the gas turbo? Yes!!! ;)
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Did you do your research and numerous test drives before
you purchased? If so why be bitter? Trade it in and find happiness |
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what's the steel profile of both cars
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I hated the MDX because of the immobile headrest that tilts forward and put a cramp in my neck on a 15 minutes test drive.
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My wife recently returned a leased 2007 MDX and purchased a 2010 X5 35d. The X5 is hands down more fun to drive, quieter, smoother, luxurious and fuel efficient. The X5 handles like it is on rails and the quality of the interior is superior. The MDX center radio stack with over 60 small and unorganized switches was a nightmare since it was very difficult to find the right switch for changing the AC, heat, audio, defrosters settings. The BMX ergonomics with the IDrive are much better to include the voice controls. The MDX didn't have rattles but had excessive road noise and the engine wasn't very smooth. The straight six BMw engines are so smooth. The MDX did corner well with the super handling AWD. In the 45,000 miles the MDX only had a few problems (nav traffic computer failed, chrome came off the front grill, check fuel tank cap warnings, and the front hood would flutter excessively when driving into a head wind at highway speeds. The flutter is a design flaw. The hood needs to be stiffer. There was a service bulletin for the flutter but it didn't help much MDX is a Honda and IMHO the extra 10K for the BMW is well worth it.
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The diesel engine in x5 is a marvel. It still has greater torque than the new gas engine, better consumption and way friendlier to the environment. There won't be a significantly more impressive engine for a long time. 40d (assuming it will make it to the US at some point) has only incremental improvements. I hope you are enjoying the ride:thumbup: Competition is a good thing. I checked out the new '10 MDX. They have added a lot high tech features for the new '10 MY. This should hopefully force BMW to add more high tech gadgets. |
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The consumer is the ultimate judge. Edmunds.com keeps consumer ratings and for MY '09 there are decent collections of consumer reviews for both cars: MDX: 8.2 (49 reviews) X5: 9.0 (38 reviews) I believe the ratings are out of 10. |
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I have been away from this forum for the duration of the weekend and am just now reading the many posts that have been left. As for what I expected to get from my original post........Intelligent dialogue from folks who love vehicles as much as I do and also enjoy meaningful conversation about the vehicle we own or vehicles in general. Nothing more, nothing less. Acura MDX better than BMW X5 - Never said it! BMW X5 better than Acura MDX - Never said it! Acura MDX better choice for "me" than the X5 - Said it! |
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I could get on here and post a million and one articles, opinions, and critiques of the X5 but who really cares what "others" have to say as long as the owner is happy. I pride myself on being confident enough to like what i like even if others don't. Translation: I don't have to put another vehicle down to feel more confident about my own! ;) |
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I simply like discussing vehicles and being in the company of others who enjoy vehicles as much as I do. With that said, I am sure my OP or this thread in general will help someone with their decision to ditch the X5 for an MDX, ditch the MDX for the X5, or ditch them both for another manufacturer. Aren't these forums suppose to be informative? :D |
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I am glad you were able to see the intent of my OP which was not to spew negativity about the BMW X5 because like I have said on many occasions, the X5 is a damn good vehicle. I agree with a lot of the MDX bashing that has taken place on this thread. However, after almost two weeks of ownership, the Acura MDX has proven to be a much better vehicle "for me". 1. The steering on the X5 felt tighter. 2. The suspension on the X5 felt tighter. 3. The overall driving dynamics on the X5 was better. 4. Hell even the front of the X5 looks better. These are not problems, flaws, or annoyances but rather observations. What I find interesting is how X5 loyalist have a very biased approach to how their vehicle should be judged by others. Anytime there is a discussion about how the X5 stacks up against another vehicle the performance attributes are ALWAYS the main selling point and that's okay. However, there are many people out there like myself who prefer a balance between performance and creature comforts and that SHOULD be okay as well. Besides, my Saturday errands consisting of runs to Costco, Target, and whatever else the wife wants don't include the Nuremburg or Autobahn tracks. 2010 Acura MDX 0-60 - 7.6 sec 2009 BMW X5 3.0i - 7.8 sec As you can see, 0-60 is a wash so in essence I get two tenths of a second better performance but with all the amenities, creatures comforts, and reliability I could ever ask for. As for the SH-AWD........I live out here in the desert so very little opportunity to test the capabilities of the SH-AWD. Quote:
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Seems to me the OP made the switch for all the reasons other than why people chose to drive a BMW. BMW makes a car for the driver. If gadgets or peripherals are more important to you then you should not been in a BMW in the first place.
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glad you found a vehicle that fits your needs better. In the end, that is what counts. I can see myself driving a GL Mercedes or an MDX, each for different reasons. |
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Why isn't there a vehicle that offers the best of both worlds. German engineering and Japanese creature comforts and tech gadgetry!?:D |
I have experienced the Acura; very nice, but not in the same league as the BMW. In the 4.8 version with sport package the BMW is light years ahead! By the way, the premium sound with HD is more than adequate. The trendy Acura , in my experience, will be outdated and old news with the next year model. The BMW X5 evolves with every facelift and upgrade. You can only build upon an already superior vehicle. I personally would rather have a CPO 2007 X5 than a new Acura.
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To be honest, though, Tucson dealers are so much better than the dealers in the Bay Area that you'd be literally shocked, seriously. I live in both cities: I'm not a snowbird, don't worry. I agree about many of your claims. From a technology standpoint the X5 is behind its peers. The 2011 model closes that gap, with intelligent cruise control, lane departure, etc. In fact, even the 2010 model's iDrive might as well be a different system than what was on your 2009 model. Nonetheless, your points are valid. The MDX is a fine vehicle. Nothing wrong with Hondas. I've noted a pretty surprising lack of quality in my city car (2008-honda civic), but nonetheless it will give you years of problem-free service. Enjoy it! |
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I never once bashed the X5 but it seems since starting this thread, it has turned into a "my car is better than yours" session but I refuse to play that game because its childish and reaks of vehicle insecurity. Anyway, there is only one BMW dealership in Tucson and that is the one on Auto Mall (near 22nd). Horrible Horrible exerience! |
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;) I am approaching mid 30's and already on my 25th or 26th vehicle so maybe the Buick will be next on the list. :dunno: Lets see...... 3 Acuras 1 lexus 1 Mercedes 1 Infiniti 1 Audi 1 BMW and the list goes on and on. |
A clear case of form follows function rather than style and design...does it come with wood panels ?
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Wow, this sure has created a lot of "colorful" posts. I hesitated to join in until I found my fire suit lol. Before I make any comment, let me preface by saying that (a) everyone has their own expectations and requirements when buying a vehicle, and (b) by and large I agree with the OP. My X is relatively old (2005) vs the OP's, it's the 4.8is. But the concerns are the same. I've owned it for not quite 2 months, and one of my very first posts was to mention how "underwhelmed" I am with the SAV. I agree it's more of a "driving machine" than anything else. It's got snappy performance, a sporty ride and handles GREAT. I also love the heated seats and steering wheel. The fit and finish is excellent, it's very comfy and I think would be great on long trips. The pano roof is outstanding!
BUT; the DSP sound system? I've heard Mazda Tributes with better. The Nav is totally dated compared to the 2003 Jeep I sold to buy the X, and light years behind my wife's '05 FX35. I don't think this is asking too much in a $75k vehicle, regardless of whether it was designed as a "driving machine" or "luxo" vehicle. I don't have the deep pockets that the OP must have to swap one new vehicle for another in short order. However, I don't feel my X is satisfying MY needs (which may be different from yours), and I'm going to try to sell it or trade it on something that suits me better. That, I believe, was the intent of the original post. If there has to be some tradeoff in the process, I'll decide what's worth it and what's not. |
I could never give up an X5 for an Acura. Not even for 2 Acuras...
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Before my OP I thought about what my approach should be. I was certain negativity would be met with negativity so I went with a more constructive approach and still received about 60% of negative responses. :D Its cool though because I kinda like it!! :bustingup If I was vehicular insecure (I made that word up BTW) I could return the negativity by posting any of the numerous BMW X5 critic reviews, owner reviews, reliability reports, cost of ownership etc, that doesn't speak to highly of the X5 but that will be met with...."Those are just opinions"! I could also post any of the numerous BMW X5 critic reviews, owner reviews, reliability reports, cost of ownership etc, that SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY of the X5 but that will be met with......."Told you so"! Translation - Why bother! I am not suggesting that you ditch the X5 but I AM suggesting that you find a car that makes you happy! I truly enjoy driving my 2010 MDX and get comments almost daily. The genius of it all by BMW is to get their loyalist so fixated on the performance aspects of the vehicle that they start making excuses for the rest of the car. Mission Accomplished! Non-X5 owner- Hey man your SUV is awesome but where is the CD player? X5 owner - First of all dude this is an SAV. Get it right next time! Non-X5 owner - Sorry man i didn't mean to offend you but does you SAV come with a CD player? X5 owner - No, this vehicle doesn't come with a CD player BUT I can go 0-60 in 4 seconds. Non-X5 owner - Cool but what about electric windows? X5 owner - Dude BMW owners don't buy these cars for CD players and electric windows!!! We buy these cars for performance....you hear that engine growl!! Non-X5 owner - Yeah that engine sounds nice but seriously dude, no CD player? X5 owner - Damnit dude if you want all that go buy a Lexus, Mercedes, Infiniti, Audi, Acura, Honda, Buick, Toyota, Ford, Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Kia, VW, Nissan, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Subaru, Dodge, or Volvo!!!! Non-X5 owner- Okay dude I am gonna go test drive a Toyota! X5 owner - Fine sissy boy and listen to this engine growl as you walk off!! vroom vroom! :popcorn: I am about to do a search for your posts regarding impressions of the X5 after purchase. |
You claim to want an educated "car guy" discussion, yet whenever someone disagrees with you, you get defensive.
I'm going to file this entire thread under High: http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums...ory-system.jpg |
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Oh gosh you again!!!! If you read ANY of my post you would realize the error in what you just said. I know your attention span maybe somewhat short and as a result you probably didn't read the entire thread so here are the highlights. 1. X5 has tighter suspension than MDX - I agreed! 2. X5 has tighter steering than MDX - I agreed! 3. X5's front fascia looks better than MDX - I agreed! 4. MDX is better than X5 - I didn't agree! 5. X5 is better than MDX - I didn't agree! 6. 2010 Acura MDX is a much better vehicle "for me" than the 2009 BMW X5 I owned for almost 2 months.- AGREED! :iagree: |
Hey, Lex:
This thread is nothing but egos. Seems many are missing your main point that while you felt the BMW was good in so many respects, it just wasn't for YOU. I understand and relate to what you're saying and can be objective about it. No so with others, so I'm outa here. Buh bye. Marc |
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You're the only one who keeps saying that everyone is pissed or overly protective of their BMW's, that you don't want an arm wrestle and then you continue the thread with nauseating "thank you" posts. No one cares that you did or didn't buy an MDX and no one cares that you like it better than an X5 and no one cares that do or don't like your ex- X5. You've been on this board for what amounts to a cup of coffee, and if you had been on here longer, you would realize that the X5 vs MDX topic has been beaten to death, unfortunately your ego won't let you see that because you're too caught up in attention whoring. What are you trying to accomplish with this thread? You like your MDX better, great, good for you, enjoy it, it's a great car... is there anything else? Is there any part of the discussion or comparison that hasn't been beaten to death? :yawn: |
I'm still trying to figure out the point of the thread. If he didn't want an arm wrestle, then why post it? If his main point was to explain why the BMW wasn't a good fit for him, and why the Acura is, then I guess I'll start a thread explaining why I bought a North Face fleece to replace my Columbia fleece.
Maybe he should start a blog.... :dunno: |
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The only topic on here that has been beaten to death more is what kind of windhshield wipers to use... (don't start discussing that now either, the horse is dead ;)) And don't bother with a blog, they take weeks to set up and months for the search engines to find - ABMW Febuary 2010. :bustingup |
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What I hoped to get out of my OP has already been realized with all that has been said and even what has yet to be said. 1. This post will help someone consider the MDX over the X5. 2. This post will help someone consider the X5 over the MDX. 3. This post will help someone not consider either for another vehicle. 4. Manufacturers are known to lurk around forums so feedback from actual owners is never a bad thing. 5. This post is also good for car nuts like me to kill extra time while at work. :D I liken these posts to if I saw you and your X5 in the parking lot. Knowing me, i would probably compliment you on your SAV, exchange small talk, and be on my way. Nothing really accomplished there either right? Answer this, how can you be so annoyed with me as the OP when in over 10 pages, I never said one negative thing about the X5 other than the joke I posted this morning? Also, why haven't you commented on all the negativity that has been said about the Acura MDX or is that acceptable because I am on an X5 forum. If you want to return the favor I welcome you to the Acura board where you can post as many negative comments as you like. In the two weeks of owning the 2010 MDX I have found........... 1. The steering to be somewhat loosey goosey 2. The steering wheel is so freakin' slick that I immediately had to buy a wheel cover. 3. The suspension could be much tighter. 4. Although the 2010 MDX has a new front and rear fascia, it still has that transformer-esque look. but.......I still LOVE the car and enjoy driving it every day! Bottom line is I think it is okay if someone disagrees with my decision and/ or opinion about a product because that keeps the conversation interesting. How boring would it be if everyone jumped on this board (or Acura) and praised the product like baby jesus!? |
Classic thread failure.
It amazes me that people don't do their homework before buying a vehicle. Seems like op and marcjac just jumped into X5's with these expectations that an expensive (IMO) ride would come equiped with gadgets to the ying yang. I think the rides are expensive for a good reason. They are well engineered and make for awesome driving experience. Heck I don't care about a pumping music system, as I like hearing the engine, exhaust note etc. Now please move on and enjoy your gadgets while you contend with poor handling. Bye :wavey: |
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Your points are muddled with untruths........... When did I ever start an "X5 vs MDX" debate? Never! When did I ever engage in an "X5 vs MDX"? Never! When did I ever compare the "X5 to MDX" Never! |
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You've been on this board for what? 50 posts? And 40 of them are probably in this thread. The point is that the MDX vs X5 topic is BEATEN TO DEATH on here. There are over 270 threads that discuss it. So let it go, people can use search, it's simple, just put MDX in the search bar, and they will get more than enough info. The topic, like the Norwegian Blue is dead. It's kaput. It's no more. And you keep saying it's just resting and nailing it to the perch. LET IT GO! Please. :dh::dh::dh: |
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listening........listening...........listening.... ......listening Ok I am done listening carefully! :dunno: |
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I pity the Acura MDX board members who will have to tolerate you from now on. http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg |
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Dude if you met me in person you would see that there is absolutely no passive in my aggression. Now on to your question....... Maybe I wrongly assumed that I WOULD NOT be stirring the pot as long as my comments were constructive. I still belong to the Mercedes and Lexus forums and have never witnessed this type of brand loyalty "my vehicle is better than yours behavior". Again, maybe I wrongly assumed....yeah and i know what happens when one assume. The way I see it you have three options: 1. Ignore my threads because you are obviously taking the time to read them. 2. Ask the mods to boot me off even though I haven't violated any rules. 3. Send a mass email out to all your xoutpost buddies asking them to stop responding to my thread. I will tell you what YOU WILL NOT Do and that is intimidate or run me off because although I have been trying my hardest to give respect where respect is due, I can run this thread in the sh!t hole real quick! Like I said before, as long as folks are responding to this thread whether positive or negative, I will continue to respond back! |
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Dude it is clear why you purchased an X5...you clearly needed the ego and self esteem boost because what kind of man throws insults at another man. Such a beyoootch move! |
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As much as I hate to do it, this thread is very close to becoming locked. |
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Michelle, the mods moved this thread to the "Off Topic" section so hopefully folks will be able to sleep more easily now that I am gone from the e70 section. Anyway, the problem with this forum (and others like it) is sometimes posts are made so quickly it is almost impossible to follow all the comments that has been made. I am not sure when you started reading this thread but there are pages after pages after pages of people saying how superior the X5 is to the MDX and how the MDX is a crappy vehicle comparatively speaking. Hence why I made the "my vehicle is better than yours" comment. I am not vehicular insecure so it just rolled off my back as I am extremely happy with my decision to leave the 2009 X5 after two months of ownership for the 2010 MDX. Its all good though.....I am happy, you are happy, and both are great vehicles! |
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No one is showing blind brand loyalty, how many people have congratulated you already on the MDX? I clearly have. The point, and again, I'm going to ask you to pay attention, because you just don't seem to be getting the point: The MDX vs X5 debate/comparison is beaten to death on here over and over and over. We didn't need another thread or discussion about it. And we surely don't need you to keep bumping it with your ridiculous "thanks dude!" replies. It's just that simple. The fact that you've been here for 2 months are annoying is secondary and tertiary to the point above. Got it now? Do you understand? Now, please, for the love of God, leave it alone. |
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