This guy gives BMW drivers a bad rep.
 

wow.
just wow.

What!
I'm sorry, I would have steped out of the car. I mean you were not even that clause to him. All I have to say is, I'm glad it was not me.

:rofl: ...
I liked how the filming driver was so cool, when "Mr.I-Can't-Believe-That Non-BMW-Could Stay-on My-Azz" driver, approached him.

The Beamer driver is probably home now, on the net, telling kill stories
and trying to figure out how he can retro fit "performance suspension"
to his car. ;)

This is fishy, I don't believe it. BS.

I haven't searched it out on Mazda forums to be sure, but it doesn't seem that crazy compared to other things that happen on the road every single day. :dunno:

its a 330i.

The first driver appears to be frustrated, and acts like a goof, but the second driver was tailgating. There is about a one second count between the vehicles. The camera makes it look like much more space was between them. Boy racer Mazda driver was racing with himself.

My math could be off, but based on a 1 second interval and estimated speeds of 40-65 mph, that would translate into about 60-100 feet between the two cars. That isn't tailgating in my book. With the exception of maybe one corner, it looks like plenty of room was given. Either way, major over reaction out of the BMW driver.

How could you tell, I missed it.

twin tailpipes on the left ilo the two symmetrical pipes.

I still agree that the guy was a needless douche.

I guess my eyes are slipping. I viewed the video in full screen and I still can't tell it is a double pipe on the left side.

Or maybe he's home watching this You tube video on Xoutpost.com realizing what an ASS he is!

I'm watching it again:popcorn:

D

Driver education courses teach the "three second rule". We can cut that to two seconds for perfect driving conditions, and many of us do so on many occasions, but one second is pushing it. Tyical reaction times are close to 0.75 seconds. When the BMW driver walks back to the car, it looks like less than 8 paces between them. That isn't 60 feet, and the distance looks about like what the Mazda was using for a following distance. I agree that the BMW driver over-reacted, but the Mazda driver was a fool as well, and had the benefit of video-editing and captions to frame the incident.

I can agree that to be perfectly safe more space should be given, but I would bet the vast majority of us who drove today followed the car in front of us closer than that. I know I did at some point.

Are we watching the same video though? The Mazda guy stops WAY closer to the BMW than he ever trailed him while moving. The distance was actually pretty reasonable when the BMW driver decides to stop, imo.

LOL! The BMW driver was a douche-bag and a wimp...

I had someone pull over and stop in front on me on the San Francisco Bay bridge one time. He got out of his truck, claimed that I had cut him on the on ramp (which I knew nothing about). Anyway, he started pounding and kicking my driver's side window, demanding that I open my door and eventually ripped my rear view mirror off and went back to his truck.

The point of my story you might ask??? The point is that the next time some MF stops in front of me and threatens me, I will f...ing run him down. I'm not saying that this particular guy deserved this but you might want to think about you would do in that situation if it happened to you...

I had a redneck do that when he was drunk because I cut him off on accident. I floored it and just got away. You never know what is about to happen when someone stops like that... Totally uncool

Which is why a lot of drivers carry a "self defense module" in the car. More often found in the glove compartment than you would think, especially with our smaller female customers. They come in for the lighter socket not working and after I pick the penny out of it I have to go in the glovebox to replace the fuse.

Hopefully you never need to use it, but a mere mention that you have it with you and you likely would still have had your side view mirror.

Which is exacly why you don't mess with raging drivers.

Sorry guys, I have to agree with JCL. He is tailgating the BMW. The video is mounted on windshield and makes it appear more distance than actually is. You are seeing the Mazda side of the story. Look the road mile markers and you will see how close he is. And watch it in 720p full screen. YouTube - Mazdaspeed3 (Shitbox) and BMW 335i on Calaveras road

Bottom line: don't mess up with people on road. the person could be a psycho, serial killer, etc.

Still not convinced, I believe it was staged. The camera was there, his reaction to the guy in the BMW was too timid or relaxed. Not buying it.

There are a bunch of people with roll bar/in car mounted cameras driving around these days. I saw an e36 with one on the highway this week. It seems the Mazda driver's was on and rolling because he was probably going to run that road at a good clip. The video said he was going slow to allow any traffic ahead of him to clear. It really isn't all that unusual, imo. His reaction was calm, but I guess you never know what you would actually do until it happens.

I don't think I would call that excessive tailgating though, definitely not enough to warrant that reaction. I counted about 2 seconds judging by the signs passed... Sure the guy was driving closer than normal, but he was out for a spirited drive. If there were a dozen cars on that stretch they would likely be at least that close to each other anyways.

That is what I am saying. I was counting about two seconds in some parts as well. He gets a little closer at the turn right before the BMW punches it, but I bet the BMW driver slowed up just a tad before gunning it. Sure he was a little close, but not nearly close enough to warrant the actions of the BMW driver. If you drive at all, you will see much worse tailgating than that on a daily basis.

I think this was staged as well. Why would someone want to create a video that demonstrates just how excessive they were speeding? Beyond that while I disagree with the man's attitude he obviously felt threatened by the Mazda enough to pull over and at least the Mazda guy took the high road

People do it every day. Here is a video posted on youtube by one of our members here.

Racing on public roads, while bicyclists are on the road. :thumbdown

Perhaps it was at a reasonable speed, and they weren't racing. Sure, that's it.

Sorry, not a good reason. I've had one too many bicyclists who DON'T share the road flip me off. Bicyclists are some of the biggest hypocrites ever and can go off a cliff for all I care. Especially when they come within 6 inches of me while running up the mountain road near my school. Or on a trail when they have plenty of space. Assholes. If you're going to bike up a narrow, curving road, be situationally aware. Its at your risk. Just like me no importance whether I am running or in a car. If you want to bike and have priority, go find a trail. And don't run over the runners.

I am involved the organization that maintains a major trail system in my city. We had to close a large portion because of bikers not sharing the road and riding BETWEEN TRAIN CARS. :rolleyes:

/rant.

So because you have some cyclists that don't follow the traffic rules, the rest of us should be run off the road? Cyclists have legal rights on the road, same as cars, in many locations. I am not sure about California, where the video appears to have been shot. I don't want special rights, just the ones the law provides.

When I pass a runner on a shared trail, I call out "on your left" and I make sure he knows I am there. Some wave thanks, some seem to think I am asking them to stop and get out of the way, which generally I am not doing (unless they are running three abreast, taking the whole trail, and are not aware of others around them).

If I am riding on a narrow curving single lane road with no paved shoulder I will generally just move out and take the lane, instead of getting too close to the shoulder and risk being run off by cars who think they can take the whole lane. I wave cars past when it is safe for them to overtake me.

Guessing you are not a fan of the critical mass rides? :rofl:

Last summer I had a nicely polished Porsche try and squeeze past me on a single lane merge when there wasn't room (we were both stopped, I was in front on my bike, waiting for traffic to open). His top was down. I asked him what he thought he was doing. He said he was going through the space because it was a road, the inference being that I should be on the sidewalk. I thought of unclipping my left cycling shoe and showing him my steel cleats, which were 8" from his nicely polished door. I was still considering whether it would feel better to centre punch the door, or drag the cleats down to his rear fender. I did neither, but it was a comforting thought. My point? Jerks come in cars too, not just on bikes. You can't judge society in general classes like all cyclists are jerks.

You should have beat his ass down!!!

I cycle, but at least am aware of traffic laws and the traffic around me... Lots of the trails I go to have signs posted saying bicycles yield to hikers and horseback riders, hikers yield to horseback riders and naturally the horse riders have right of way. Basically bikes are lowest on the totem poles and yield to all. The only time I get aggravated with cyclists on the road is when they are oblivious to traffic and don't follow traffic laws... like if they are on a main city artery, meander all over the lane unaware of traffic behind them and never dream of looking before crossing a intersecting street. They hinder traffic vs blend with it.

I think if you are going to be on a public roadway you should at least know the laws pertaining to riding on it.

Hey, all I said was that people make videos of themselves driving every day. I think the people in the second video I posted are probably more guilty of speeding than racing, but that is just me. I didn't see any passing or anything.

As far as cyclists go, I think they are crazy for wanting share public roads with cars to begin with, but once again that is just me. I wouldn't really want to risk my life like that. Not with the way people drive or what are roads are like here anyway. Yes, cyclists have the right to be on them, but it isn't very safe, imo. I think people know this, because I don't see very many riders in my local area. There are some places out west that are known for these canyon runs and if I were riding a bike, I would be sure to stay clear of these roads. Sure, they have the right to ride on them, but they also have the right to be smeared by a car as well. Some roads are just not safe for cyclists, even if they have a right to be on them.

I agree as well. He wasn't THAT close to the guy--he was just staying with him + they couldn't have been going more than 45 MPH through those turns. Maybe the dude forgot to take his PEDs that day ha.

I apologize.

95% of bicyclists in Portland Maine and Upstate South Carolina are hypocritical jerks. I've never run on the west coast.

I give them plenty of yield while driving, even when they're riding where they should not (6 lane non-divided highway being one prime and frequent example) I would never ever run someone off the road.

Whats your opinion on two bikers? Something else that frequently happens is that two bicyclists on a narrow road will stay next to each other. If I'm running with someone, I'll get behind/in front of them, but consistently the bicyclists stay in formation, taking up the entire lane. Last time, I waited for one clear stretch and went around them, and could hear the profanities flying over my engine noise.

That's when just tap the horn... something to make them aware I'm behind them so they can get over and let me pass safely. Now on occasion they just glance back over their shoulder and stay in the side by side formation without a care, that's when I would LOVE to have a train horn installed. But since I don't I have to wait for an opening to use that skinny pedal and go around them. (and I do floor it around for affect at that point)

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Thank you.

I have never ridden in Maine or SC, so perhaps they are more self-centred. Here on the west coast of BC, there are a lot of cyclists. I get along with most of them, but we have a group of bicycle couriers downtown who believe that they are pedestrians one minute, cars the next, and that no laws apply to them. I support the ticketing of cyclists who don't get it, because they selfishly impact motorists's opinions of all cyclists. We don't have mandatory bicycle or rider registration here, but we do have bicycle helmet laws, requirements for an audible warning device, traffic enforcement along bicycle routes, and so on.

I would never ride on a six lane highway. There are always alternatives, and that just doesn't sound safe. If I have to cross such a road, I will dismount and walk my bike across in the crosswalk. At that moment I am a pedestrian with luggage.

I have a regular riding partner (my wife). We sometimes ride two abreast. It depends on the situation and space around us. The laws differ everywhere; it is either illegal, legal, or legal only if you are not impeding traffic, depending on local laws. I go with the "only when safe, only when not impeding traffic" justification, but we post one rider watching behind for approaching traffic or other bikes.

I have noticed that drivers locally are getting better in the last few years. I regularly get cars waving me through stop signs when I am at the crest of a steep hill, just about over the top, and they have the right-of-way. I always acknowledge them with a wave and a mouthed 'thank you'.

Back to the video posted of the cars sprinting through a place called Stunt Canyon. I googled Stunt Canyon, and was surprised to see that the first link, with the most traffic of any, was a cycling "map your ride" site for that road. It seems that those roads are used regularly by road cyclists.

that wasn't tailgating... if the dumbass in the 330i couldn't hang.. move over..
obviously.. getting out the car in the middle of the road is probably the dumbest thing the dude could do.. :confused:

I just looked up Stunt Road and Calaveras Road on youtube and I can tell you I would not ride a bike on either. Tons of in-car videos of cars/motorcycles speeding through.

calaveras, yes.. stunt rd.. horrible place for a ride...

You might be right, my personal motto gets me into trouble sometimes

"often wrong but never in doubt" :D

My gut still isn't buying it though.

Keep in mind that this is a mazda 3 guy's edited video. He has obviously edited out the parts where he was actually tailgating. I cannot believe that someone will get that pissed with so much distance. That BMW driver will not be able to drive and will keep stopping every time someone is 100-300 feet behind him. :rofl:

You think it is "edited" at any point from when the BMW driver pulls out to the confrontation? If so, I am no video editing master, but that guy should be working in Hollywood. With the exception of the comments, I don't see any obvious editing.

The bmw driver had options, pull over and get the ass off his ass, slow down and let him pass, or out-drive him. Road rage is a serious issue, he's lucky he got to walk back to his car. Never get out of your car and engage someone still sitting in their car. Firearms, mace, asp's, knives, and hand to hand will get you in serious trouble. I'm not saying who was right and who was wrong, just be safe and go home each night.

This brings back a laughable memory so I must play storyteller. I was going to pick up my sis from the airport one sunny afternoon when i approached the signal leaving the airport lot....basically a large 4 lane wide intersection with two turning lanes. I look down to change the radio and the second the light turns this turd in a dodge caliber lays on the horn....no friendly beep. I peer into the side mirror and see this little prick swearing at me to which I flip him the bird and proceed to enter the intersection. He actually has the nerve to attempt and pass me on the inside of the turn (we are already in the inside lane) to which I promptly assert that his caliber has no balls here aka hit the gas pedal:rofl:. He is squeezed out and of course the next light turns red. He pulls alongside me barking (like all dogs do) about everything from my bmw to my shirt (lol pink lauren button down). We exchange words and he says something I did not like about my sister, at which point I take a massive swig of my water and spit it with force right into his window:D He then pulls his caliber in front of my cars bumper, effectively boxing me between his car and traffic behind me. He then gets out and approaches my car....for some reason I found this funny because he was like 5'6 and i am 6'4. Then as the light turns green and people start yelling to call the police he takes a swing at me through the window and totally misses me hahahahaha Then he got in and peeled off angry as hell. In retrospect I should have taken the higher road and ignored him...who knows if people are crazy or not. We have too much going our way to fuck it up on some moron with road rage.

Re the vid: 330i Guy was a total asshole and lacked intelligence. I do not think anyone should be chasing people with cameras in their window tho(unless it is a friend). Staged? maybe.

/\ Just reminded me of a past story too! Me and a friend had picked up on a couple girls from out of state and were out drinking with them and such. One of the girls was driving with my friend in the front passengers seat and I was in the back with the other. Somehow the girl driving pissed off the car behind us and the fool pulled up next to us at a red light, I think it was something with the New Orleans streets she wasn't familiar with like every street is a one way in the other direction so it is near impossible to make a left turn in some areas. After spouting off at the mouth about it and being responded to in the same manner the guy got out the car and reaches in the passengers window (which was only down about 3") grabbing my friend by the collar. Keep in mind we're all in the 17 to 18 year old range and this guy is at least 30 to 35. So the girl driving thinks quick and rolls up the window holding up on the switch up, then proceeds to drive away at about 5mph with his forearm stuck in the window! At which point he instantly went from overly aggressive to very passive... The girl let his arm go about a block and a half up the road giving us plenty of time to be gone before he got back to his car. Meanwhile all me and my girl in the back seat could do was laugh at the situation. (the only sober one in the car was driving, and she didn't stay sober for long after that, we ended up on Bourbon street and took a cab home)

Ive got one for you guys. I was driving down a 3 lane interstate in the middle lane one evening about 10pm with the cruise set at 75. This little "shitbox" with a chick driving two guy passengers flys by doing at least 90 in the left lane. Didnt think anything of it. 30 seconds later they move two lanes over to the right lane and I pass them. Im watching in the rear view as they swerve over two lanes to the far left and then take about a minute to catch up and once again go flying by. This process repeats and the whole time none of them even so much as looks at me. The 4th time they pass on the left I kind give the passenger the hand open shrug like "what are you doing"? No swearing, no finger, just curiosity at what is going on. They immediately swerve in front of me and slam on the brakes. I jerk left and go around. Thank God for good handling. This ticks them off so they pull up behind me with the brights flashing holding middle fingers out of 3 windows. She then gets so close to my rear bumper that I can barely see the top of her car. Before I was laughing, at that point I'm ticked so I pop it in sport and gun the gas leaving them in the dust. I back off after a bit when they are well behind. 10 minutes later they catch up, pass on the right while giving me the finger, and then exit the interstate. I still have no idea what their deal was.

2nd story - pre-X days. Back home in Tennessee, me and a buddy had just finished golfing and were headed home on a two lane highway in my '99 Cougar. For future reference, we had the back seats folded down with the golf bags laying there. Just before I need to make a right turn and as I was slowing down with blinker on, a car pulls out of a bait shop and proceeds to drive on the shoulder right next to me preventing me from turning. I hit the brakes, lay on the horn, and make the right as he goes past. He then turns behind me and gives chase. I know this road so I floor it and out drive him though the twisties. I slow down to go over a very quick up and down. He doesnt, catches 2 feet of air, and goes by. He then proceeds to slam on the brakes and block the road. I try to go by but he floors it and blocks. Does this a couple times. He does it again, blocking me on a hairpin turn so I cant go around, and gets out of his car shirtless, shoeless, and wearing cut off tight jean shorts. Obviously no place to hide a weapon if you know what I mean. I get out too because I dont want him fckin with my car. He starts making threats until my buddy grabs a 9 iron and stands there staring at him. He sees the club and realizes he's outnumbered and outgunned and walks back to his car screaming. He pulls away, I follow a hundred yards behind(this is my way home afterall). He gets pissed again a mile or so later and stops in the middle of the road but doesnt block me this time. He gets out of the car waiting on us. This time I don't stop, but drive by close enough that my buddy got a good shot at him with the 9-iron. Caught the guy right in the balls. Priceless. That was the end of the chase.

Hopefully you took his ass right out of the gene pool... if so I thank you for playing lifeguard!

Hahaha you pinged his putter!? Now that's funny.