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Reversing camera on '04 E53/X5
Once again I search and search but cannot find all the answers I need, so have to resort to asking for yet more help.
I want to install a reversing camera. This is specifically to enable me to see the trailer hitch as I reverse up to it, a process which otherwise takes a lot of getting in and out pf the car and nudging it slightly to get it close enough. And before anyone asks, yes the trailer is big and IMPOSSIBLE to move to the car. So. I have Nav and TV Tuner so there ought to be a video input available, but I cannot get to the bottom of precisely what is required. Hence my questions. - As a UK car, does it run PAL video? - If so I would need a PAL camera, yes? - Why would I need e.g. a VSM (from EAS) Is that purely to allow an additional video input to be used? Or is there some other more empirical reason for its requirment? Would I be able to hook up iPod video with a reversing camera installed but no VSM? - How does it all integrate with the reversing switch? Is a relay required, or does the OEM Tuner handle this itself? - Is there a list of exactly what parts are required? - A wiring diagram of how it all connects? I don't have a problem with the general principles of what's involved here, but I need to know the specifics of how a camera is integrated into the X5's wiring to give me some idea of which camera I should consider, Bumblebee from EAS, BMW's OEM unit or another alltogether. Thanks. |
I am interessed to, I bought a "Rückfahrkamera" on Ebay, but I only have a MK4 and a 16:9 monitor, so no TV tuner.
Are there pin settings/Wiringplan for that and is it possible to attach a camera without having a TV tuner? Do we need a Dietz 1270 also? |
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Thanks for that, but still not clear on some issues.
Why would I need an NTSC camera? The TV Tuner in my car has to be PAL, surely the camera would need to be PAL. Thanks for the link to the camera, I will probably do the same as you. Did you have to drill a hole in the tailgate behind the emblem? Does it show a mirror image? What is the field of vision when it is mounted in this way? I need to be able to see the towball, will it show that or is it too high. I like the idea of this camera mount as it is smack bang in the centre, unlike the OEM BMW kit which mounts the camera off centre. I just need to know it will show what I need. |
Its NTSC, no question,be told:nanana:
You have to do a little drilling behind the emblem but not much as the camera is only 40mm long. It is mirror image. The camera comes with angled spacers that change the position of the camera,not 100% sure if it would show the towball though mounted in the emblem. Another member on here has mounted his in the towbar flap at the bottom,this would probably be too low and the towbar may restrict your vision. Tom at eas sells the bumblebee camera,this may be a better option as it can be fitted/adjusted to suit your required field of view,indeed, you could angle it dowm when connecting up your hitch then revert back to centre for normal driving. |
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Why NTSC? I really want to know. I need to understand these things. Quote:
How low does the image go in your install? To explain, I want to be able to see the towball from above so when I am reversing up to the trailer (which is too big and heavy to move to the car) I can position the car so the ball is right under the hitch and then I get out and drop the hitch onto the ball - job done. Otherwise it's a tedious process of getting in and out, trying to nudge the car a few inches each time. |
[quote=UKenGB]No (why change the habits of a lifetime:-)
Why NTSC? I really want to know. I need to understand these things. Buy a PAL one like I did,then you'll know :nanana: How low does the image go in your install? Not low enough for what you need,thought that would be self explanatory,its a camera and you see what it points at,you need it to point down........ Like I said, a Bumblebee will suit you best as it can be adjusted infinately. |
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Maybe I'll get 2 and rig one up in the trailer so I can check in transit that the bikes are still upright. Just need to figure how to add another video input via the trailer socket... |
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Did you perhaps just have your TV set to NTSC, hence the PAL camera you bought would not work? |
The camera input is NTSC. I have an NTSC camera. I can switch the TV mode to whatever, but the camera always works.
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Dear UkenGB,
you need NTSC camera, not PAL. camera input on TV-module is alwayes NTSC in every country version. For example : if you travel by car in other country where TV is NTSC, you have to switch tv in NTSC. So your camera should not work..., but BMW are clever and fixed camera input on NTSC. I also bought PAL version, that replaced by NTSC. you can find realy and wiring diagram searching forum. Also I posted second relay installation diagram, which eliminates engibe noises. |
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I'd just discovered this 'fixed' nature of the camera input and yes indeed it makes sense (except they should have fixed it to PAL). Don't you feel better gwc now that you know ;)
ika do you also know about the (composite) AV input to the Tuner module? Is that fixed or variable with the TV setting? Seems to me it would have to be fixed as if you have something like a DVD connected, that will stay the same wherever you travel, just like the camera. But to fix it to either format wouldn't make sense as any equipment you buy to connect to it would be in the default format for that country, e.g. PAL here in the UK and therefore not necessarily the same as that to which the input is fixed. What logic did BMW use on that little conundrum? I just saw your diagram of the 2 relay setup. Not sure I completely understand why it is necessary though. Maybe that's becasue I don't know the schematic for the relays. Do you have that, what terminals are for the coil and which ones are switched? |
AV is switchable : PAL/NTSC as TV.
when you power camera from reverse light cable, it may cause engine noises, like mine did. So I installed second relay and problem gone. Second relay powers camera directly from battery. http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...era-issue.html when you put in reverse, reverse light powers pin86 of relay-2 (pin85 already grounded), which connects pin87 to pin30 and camera gets PLUS directly from battery. First relay just grounds TV-module pin17, to switch in camera mode. |
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There are two video inputs,one for the rear cam and also an av input for dvd players et al.The second one is selectable on the tv /av channel. I have my camera on an av switcher along with a dvd stack and a ps2 so I can see behind whilst on the move if needed,its also shown automatically when reverse is selected. In theory,theres nothing stopping you actually connecting a dvd palyer to the rear cam input but it would have to be a NTSC model and could be displayed at anytime by rigging a simple switch in the front which grounds pin 17 on the module. The possibilities for wiring it up are only limited by your imagination. Some great info here http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp |
Let me see if i got it right,
If i wanr RW cam i will connect yelow RCA to pin 13 and 14, and ground cam from pin 17? If i want DVD player or otherexternal video source with mono sound i will connect Audio RCA to pin 4 and 5, Video RCA to pin 6 and 15. I know that i can buy a cable, but i acctually like doing things my self |
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So when i put car in reverse the cam will go on feeding video input, witch will switch screen to show camera input ?,
BTW do i get + line to camera directly from battery since ground is a switch, or should i still get it from revers lights ? |
see my post :
AV is switchable : PAL/NTSC as TV. when you power camera from reverse light cable, it may cause engine noises, like mine did. So I installed second relay and problem gone. Second relay powers camera directly from battery. http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...era-issue.html when you put in reverse, reverse light powers pin86 of relay-2 (pin85 already grounded), which connects pin87 to pin30 and camera gets PLUS directly from battery. First relay just grounds TV-module pin17, to switch in camera mode. |
I'm thinking I want to enable the reversing camera input while driving normally (i.e. forward). Is this possible? I know how easy it would be to rig up a suitable switch, but is that input disabled at speed?
Normal TV or other video display is blanked when driving, for safety reasons, but is this the case when the reversing camera is enabled? I don't want to have to add a TVinMotion bypass to enable the AV input while moving, but could I avoid this by using the rev. camera input? |
gwc, based on your staement "I used this one,fitted in the rear BMW emblem and its perfect." - I have the same camera model (PAL :() and like to see some pictures how the installation looks like... I doubt about correct fitment to rear BMW logo on the trunk lid :(
BTW, besides the camera, what I need to buy ? VSM with TV support module from EAS or just rear camera module from Bimmernav ? :) A bit confused... Will TV plays Secam program ? please advice... |
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ps needs a wash :rofl: |
How deep is the space behind BMW emblem? How deep can camera be to fit into logo without drilling a big hole?
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Thanks! |
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Interesting, I thought it's just the body of the door behind that emblem. But it looks like I was wrong. Thanks qwc!
Did you install yours with relay? |
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It does need a relay,yes.A second one helps sometimes to keep the camera power seperate but mine didn't need it. I've recently fitted one to my Dodge (mercedes) Sprinter and used a CCD camera instead of CMOS,much better quality esp at night. |
>> Why NTSC? I really want to know. I need to understand these things.
Because that's the way VDO/Philips designed it. Jochen |
gwc, thanks for the foto ! :) I had doubts about aestetic part of installation :) btw, mine beast is much dirty than your :bow:
Will consider bumblebee or native camera installation... Thanks anyway ! |
gwc, thanks for the foto :bow: :) I had doubts about aestetic part of the installation... I'm afraid can't ruin such beautiful BMW logo :) Will consider bumblebee or native camera installation...
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ADD ON FOR BACK UP CAMERA CONNECTIONS
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Thanks for the wiring diagram, but I have just one problem left - I have no audio in AV mode... :( TV and Reverse camera works well, but I can't realise where I should connect the audio...
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open up the white plug and check to see if there are pins in positions 4 and 5
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