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btrvalik 12-22-2005 12:24 PM
ICE->Link Feature Request Thread
 
I was thinking it might me worth starting a feature request thread that we could forward on to Denison. After a limited time with the device here are a few things I would like to see.. I will update with poll with other suggestions as they come in.

1) Genre menu in addition to artist and album. For those of us with a large amount of music this would really help
2) After selecting a album / artist to play, return to the same point in the list when << is used to exit the selection. Currently you go all the way back to the top of the album / artist list.

Carbo56 12-22-2005 02:40 PM
I'd love to see some sort of jump or page down function while scrolling through long lists or artists or playlists.

btrvalik 12-22-2005 05:29 PM
It's a good idea but how would it work? We only have two buttons to play with..

scs_x5 12-22-2005 10:30 PM
I would like to be able to access genre, and toggle song shuffle.

Tom G. 12-23-2005 02:23 AM
Subscribing. All good points. :thumbup:

Tom G. 12-23-2005 02:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbo56
I'd love to see some sort of jump or page down function while scrolling through long lists or artists or playlists.
This is much easier with NAV, as the NAV dial scrolls as well.

hayaku 12-23-2005 03:36 AM
i would like to see the nav dial fully active. scroll and push to select. long push to select the menu option instead of pushing cd 6.

be great if the song title was displayed in the big box on the nav instead of just scrolling back and forth in the top... more display real estate there...

i'm unable to nav scroll through the active playlist...

the nav scroll only works for me in the menu sections but once a playlist is being played i have to use the < and > buttons to move through the playlist.

i have the 2b2 firmware also and everything else works fine.

el_duderino 12-23-2005 02:42 PM
How about the eas source selector resetting the bus so you can throw the switch without turning the key off? :)

Tom G. 12-23-2005 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by el_duderino
How about the eas source selector resetting the bus so you can throw the switch without turning the key off? :)
The Source Selector does not communicate with iBus - so nothing there. I may have a different option for non-DSP users by the end of the year that will be selected via the HU.

chankla 12-24-2005 08:59 PM
I agree with Hayaku's feature request,
As things stand now, Ice>Link is actually more dangerous human interace than the existing radio interface.
By fully integrating the Nav wheel, Dension makes a safer interface. One doesn't have to look over there to see if they are pressing the right button, for the right length of time after selecting the right text on the Nav screen: just push the wheel in and that's it - eyes are back on the windshield where they belong.
C'mon guys, it can't be that hard. The chaps over at Invention, in the UK, have done it.

Tom G. 12-24-2005 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chankla
I agree with Hayaku's feature request,
As things stand now, Ice>Link is actually more dangerous human interace than the existing radio interface.
This statement I completly disagree with. The ice>Link Plus interface is no more complex than any of your radio commands or Navigation controls. This is what was intended from the beginning.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chankla
By fully integrating the Nav wheel, Dension makes a safer interface. One doesn't have to look over there to see if they are pressing the right button, for the right length of time after selecting the right text on the Nav screen: just push the wheel in and that's it - eyes are back on the windshield where they belong.
C'mon guys, it can't be that hard. The chaps over at Invention, in the UK, have done it.
In all fairness, you shouldn't be driving while browsing through the iPod - there is even a disclaimer message at bootup stating this. Keep in mind the ID3 text can also be displayed from your OBC, below your gauges so that your eyes are not far from the road - where they should be while driving. You also have your choice of displaying the ID3 on MID or NAV.

The suggestions here are all great - but safe driving is the #1 priority here, not the iPod.

UCrewX5 12-24-2005 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom G.
This statement I completly disagree with. The ice>Link Plus interface is no more complex than any of your radio commands or Navigation controls. This is what was intended from the beginning.



In all fairness, you shouldn't be driving while browsing through the iPod - there is even a disclaimer message at bootup stating this. Keep in mind the ID3 text can also be displayed from your OBC, below your gauges so that your eyes are not far from the road - where they should be while driving. You also have your choice of displaying the ID3 on MID or NAV.

The suggestions here are all great - but safe driving is the #1 priority here, not the iPod.
:iagree: Let's not digress to the least common element here. There's definately some enhancements that can be made to make this even better. That said, I applaud Dension for coming out with a product that pushes the boundries of anything else currently on the market. :thumbup:

el_duderino 12-25-2005 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom G.
The Source Selector does not communicate with iBus - so nothing there. I may have a different option for non-DSP users by the end of the year that will be selected via the HU.
Tom, you're making the same mistake that many of us have made when being told what the market wants. You're telling us why you can't do what we want - which affects the value of the data not a whit.

And I wish that the Icelink's Playlist UI was better for the driver, and more precisely mimicked the iPod interface.

It is still far better than the OEm requirement of one predetermined playlist only... but we all know that telling a user to not change discs on a Cd changer while driving is illogical and self-defeating - and the icelink is jus a Cd changer from a function POV.

chankla 12-26-2005 03:47 AM
Tom,
Apologies. I didn't mean to offend. I was just trying to give you the reasoning behind my feature request.

Today, Icelink has the best integration of what is out there. I know, I use it everyday.
However, I would like Dension to know how to take it to the next level before their competitors do (and there are some potential new market entrants that are working on some very cool features that utilize more of the real-estate on the NAV screen, like http://www.intravention.co.uk).

So, perhaps someone else will come up with a better reason than mine - that's OK. It's even OK that you disagree. The thread was a request for comment, which Dension is free to accept or decline.
I'm just trying to help Dension stay out ahead of the pack by continuing to refine the existing user interface (as El Duderino says).

Making the iPod look more like an iPod and less like a CD changer is what the market wants. Someone is going to do it - it might as well be Dension.

Tom G. 12-26-2005 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chankla
Tom,
Apologies. I didn't mean to offend. I was just trying to give you the reasoning behind my feature request.

Today, Icelink has the best integration of what is out there. I know, I use it everyday.
However, I would like Dension to know how to take it to the next level before their competitors do (and there are some potential new market entrants that are working on some very cool features that utilize more of the real-estate on the NAV screen, like http://www.intravention.co.uk).

So, perhaps someone else will come up with a better reason than mine - that's OK. It's even OK that you disagree. The thread was a request for comment, which Dension is free to accept or decline.
I'm just trying to help Dension stay out ahead of the pack by continuing to refine the existing user interface (as El Duderino says).

Making the iPod look more like an iPod and less like a CD changer is what the market wants. Someone is going to do it - it might as well be Dension.
No offense taken, I just didn't agree the ice>Link being a "dangerous" device as indicated in your post - I do appreciate the feedback though. :thumbup:

In all fairness, here are a list of options I would like to see on the ice>Link:

- Browse By Genre
- [<< >>] pressed for +5 seconds skips by letters when browsing by Artist/Album
- NAV dial being pressed acts as "select" key
- Time Elasped
- Mute
- Font Size fixed on NAV screen

I've already turned the list over to Dension's engineers, lets see what happens. :p

X5Sport 12-27-2005 08:10 AM
I'd just like them to provide proper support to customers with problems. Their European Support (based in Hungary) simply does not exist, never answers emails and doesn't respond to request for assistance from customers or their approved distributors/dealers, and the USA support teams can't help (even if they may be willing) coz we're the wrong side of the Atlantic.

By another product from someone else.

Tom G. 12-27-2005 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by X5Sport
I'd just like them to provide proper support to customers with problems. Their European Support (based in Hungary) simply does not exist, never answers emails and doesn't respond to request for assistance from customers or their approved distributors/dealers, and the USA support teams can't help (even if they may be willing) coz we're the wrong side of the Atlantic.

By another product from someone else.
I can still provide technical support if needed. :thumbup:

Hans_ACS 12-27-2005 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by X5Sport
I'd just like them to provide proper support to customers with problems. Their European Support (based in Hungary) simply does not exist, never answers emails and doesn't respond to request for assistance from customers or their approved distributors/dealers, and the USA support teams can't help (even if they may be willing) coz we're the wrong side of the Atlantic.

By another product from someone else.

I agree on the support issue!

RealShakaZulu 12-27-2005 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealShakaZulu
10/24/2005... I use playlist extensively due to the 5 preset restriction. I have 32 playlists, so that I can access all of iPod content while I am navigating the X. I've created playlists for audiobooks, podcasts, genres, normal playlists and a few artists. Conversely, I don't know anyone who has a 10+ gb iPod who enjoys (vs. suffers through) the "artist" menu selection. So, why not make "Playlist" the first menu selection on the next update? Next, since scrolling through artist is so difficult why not replace it with "Genre" which would eliminate the need to create playlist for them.

I would recommend that you poll users here as to the way they use the IceLink. If my viewpoint is in the minority, then continue as is... but I doubt it. Also, is the font and display shown on the iPod when connected to the IceLink necessary because it has to be the same as the ID3 text? If not, it would be great if you could allow the display (especially for the video ipods) go unchanged when connected... it adds to the wow factor for passengers and allows album covers to be displayed on the screen.
-RSZ

X5Sport 12-29-2005 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom G.
I can still provide technical support if needed. :thumbup:
Sent you a mail.


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