Nav V26.09A (Beta with Perspective View)
 

This evening, once again thanks to Appy, I got my hands on a "patch" to the V26 operating system for the MkIV Nav Drive. This is NOT a complete reload of the OS, rather it a beta release of software that will take an existing version of V26 and patch it to version V26.09A. You MUST already be on V26 for this to work, and this only applies to a MkIV nav drive.

See http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...-released.html for details on loading the V26 OS. The procedures for burning and loading the V26.09A patch are identical.

Here are pictures of the load in my X5. With this new release you have an additional viewing menu option called "Perspective". That puts you into this new mode. Performance wise, it seems to be pretty responsive. Note that as far as I can tell this mode only seems to support direction of travel views (my preference is to have it in pointing north mode).

Note that it says loading version 0.0
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-1.jpg

Still showing version 0.0
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-2.jpg

Splash screen after loading the new OS
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-3.jpg

Settings screen. Note that it shows version as T26.09A and I assume the date of the beta release (pretty current ;) )
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-4.jpg

New viewing option called "Perspective"
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-5.jpg

Perspective mode in split screen
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-6.jpg

Full screen in Perspective mode
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-7.jpg

2.5 mile range in Perspective mode
http://www.xoutpost.com/images/member...D/V26-3D-8.jpg

Identified issues/bugs/things to consider:

• Some people have reported losing the Aux Ventilation option on the nav menu. This seems to be more of an issue with the e53 (X5) then other models.
• Loading this beta release appears to put the nav drive into Euro mode (no accept screen, units in yards rather than feet)
• The Emergency option may disappear from the nav menu
• Splash Screen shows "T26.09A" rather than "== BMW =="
• Minor street names may not show up when in Perspective mode
• Thread on other possible issues - http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...countered.html

OK, here's a download link. I must warn you that this is a BETA release, and if you choose to download and install this then you do so with full recognition that neither I nor X5world/X3world can be held responsible for any problems you may encounter with your nav system. I have been told that you can go back to V26 by doing a software reload, but have not confirmed this.

You will note that the download is only a 37 Meg zip file. Again, this is because this is just a patch to an existing V26 install and does not contain the V26 update itself. Only load this after your MkIV has already been updated to V26.

The link for the download can be found here (you must be logged into the site to access this page) - http://www.xoutpost.com/navos.html

:goodluck: and enjoy!!

Very cool Jeff - thanks! Did you drive around with it? How's the updating speed? Any other changes? Not sure I feel to comfy with a beta version, but I'll certainly be watching these threads!!!

Yes, I drove around a while with it. Updating speed seems very comparable to being in the direction of travel mode.

So far I'm not seeing any downside to updating to this because you can choose to go to one of the two original modes if you don't like the Perspective mode. But stay tuned for updates.

Great job Jeff! This place always has the newest, latest, and greatest! :beerchug:

You are the MAN!!! Thanks for the beta!

Fantastic stuff !! :)

downloading right now and going to try it out when it's done!! Thanks Jeff!!!

Great update Jeff, thanks again to xoutpost.com! Just updated the M's Nav OS and worked as described. Can't wait to test some more before updating the X.

Same Here Jeff, I Sprinted My Ass To The Parking Lot, We Drove The M3 Today So Updated It Without Even Thinkking And Bam! Switch To Perspective Mode And Oooooooooooooh The Animation Is Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im So Excited Rite Now I Am Completely Out Of Breadth. I Cannot Wait To See How It Handles On The Road, All This Talk Of Mkiv Being Able To Handle This?!?!?!??

Cant Wait To See How The M3 Does It And Go Home And Update The X! Omg Jeff, We Bow Down To Your Greatness!!!!!!!!!!!!

damn...I cant wait to get home tomorrow night and down load this sucker...that is just plain cool...

Ok, so I went ahead and installed. Heres my observations. Prior to install my Mk4 Nav was in "USA" mode, so I had the warning message on startup as well as the Emergency menu item on the main screen - I do have BMW BT/Assist.

After the install, I noticed that the NAV was now in Euro mode. Distances smaller than 1 mile were now in Yards and the Emergency menu option has disapeared from the main menu. Emergency does appear in the phone menu but doesn't do anything if you press it. You can still call BMW assist though, with the button on the Rearview mirror which I did just to make sure that that didn't get effected.

The persective view works well enough. Am I right in stating that no roadnames other than interstates/highways get displayed? I tried a 2004-2 and 2005-2 map and it seemed the same. Perspective works both in Split screen and full screen modes and I really didn't notice any slow down, even when the vehicle was turning left/right and the map needed to rotate. Since there are no road names on my map at least ... this may be a indication on how they have got pretty good performance.

Overall an interesting excercise .... :-) I hope they do release this feature in a future release, just for the cool factor!

Cheers, Adrian

The only place where I noticed a bit of performance slowdown was when changing Map Scales especially when scaling to longer distances (2.5 to 5 miles, and more)...

Thanks!! Jeff and this website is the best!! I just purchased a Honda Ridgeline with navigation for my wife and me:).. The honda nav is great but the accept screen drives me crazy.. and no group of people like is website for fixes.. I still love my X5...

Thanks for the update. Very cool stuff

Did anyone else loose AUX Ventilation?

I had it in both the E38 and X5 before the upgrade and then nothing after the upgrade. I disconnected the battery on the E38 and was able to get it back. Anyone else loose this feature on the main menu?

I have disconnected the nav drive in the X5, but that did not do anything. I have yet to disconnect the battery, but that is next on my list of things to try.

Martin

Didn't lose the Aux Ventilation option from the Main Menu on the e39 M5. Have not updated the X tough pending further testing...

the odd thing, is just after upgrading it was there in the X5. Although missing the direct mode feature. I was screwing around with it and went to check out the E38. When I noticed it was gone I put the key back in the X and it had dissapeared. Pretty wacky.

After pulling the negative cable I got it to come back in the E38. I was going to let the X sit for a while prior to turning it back on.

By the way, I would like to get the BMW logo back up on startup. I know someone was messing with this before http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/138933 but file he mentioned is only found in the MKII and MKIII directories of the prior OS disks and not this patch. Anyone have an idea where to look to change the logos in the MKIV sofware. I am sure it is a file in this patch as it was overwritten by the OS version number

Hi,

the streetnames in the full mode is sometimes a problem.
but
if you drive in the splitscreen mode the streetnames are there.

To day i must drive about 400 km, i will test on the way the nav.

greets Appy

Hello!
First of all, sorry for my English!
I want to thank Appy for software and Jeff for testing it and giving us a link. Thank you, guys, we wait it for a month!!!
Logo located in file V_2\RR\0101\BMWC01S\app_sw\navboot between 00B1FE84-00B21D8F adressess. I'll try to change it and write the results here.
One more time, THANK YOU!!!

I lost AUX ventilation on the X5, but I still have it on the E38. Would I be able to get AUX ventilation back if I go to my stealer and ask them to reprogram the car for US mode?

Hello;
I'm new in this forum.
I downloaded the file but still have some concerns with the supported languages.
I'm from Germany. An on the photos (during the documented update) I could only see English (GB and US) and French language support.

Does anybody from Germany already did the update successfully?

Regards from Germany.

The languages are coded into the system (and can only be changed by your dealer) so an update of the Navigation OS should not change them.

I did a successful installation here in Australia and I still have the same language options (English, Deutch, Francais)

One other nice touch (I'm yet to drive with it!):
- When you switch from 'Direction of Travel' to 'Perspective' view the map tilts and the car icon fades out and then changes. It looks great!
- Still having the same redraw glitches with screen refreshes but this is a problem I've had (and a few others) since v26 so it is no worse. I suspect the 'official' release may address these issues.

Thanks again Jeff.

Paul Martin
Australia
www.paulnika.com

Looks like there will be no official version with perspective view, BMW has stopped developing it. That was mentioned in a German BMW board by a betatester of the software. Read/translate Chaplin's messages:
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/sho...5&pagenumber=2

So I would assume that this Euro mode will not interfere with the tuner USA AREA and thus with the OEM Sirius tuner. Can somebody with Sirius can check its functionality with this Beta version?

Thanks

This has no impact on the radio tuner. It will remain in USA mode if that's what it is currently configured for.

Thanks... is the link to download this beta version correct? I click the sucker and it talkes me back to the main page... :confused:

it's correct. u have to scroll
down a little bit for the zip file.

that was my fault, technic -- its fixed!

what broswer are u using?
when i click on it, i get the
download box asking if i want
to open it or save it.

*edit* - disregard my post.;)

Let's get the betaaaaa! :rofl:

Thanks.

Sirius Worked for me on an X5 and E38 with BMW Sirius..... That was my first check on both systems.

Martin

I just loaded it on my UK Rover 75 Nice not to have the BMW welcome screen anymore at least the version number is a bit more non descript!

After the upgrade mine came up in German

I tried it at 2.5miles and there is a a town in the distance that is off the screen with the top down view

I like the clouds!

You are right, Martin... I just downloaded the beta, tested it with the Sirius, ice>Link, and the Bluetooth and everything works fine. The Telephone option was slow to appear in the menu but it came after some 30 seconds.

The bird's eye view is a great Nav improvement although as stated before the side streets are missing, but I do not think that this view is intended primarily for urban areas anyway. This is a very useful option in the Interstate, where you can see far away in front and sides -for example- the next service station or the exits without changing the scale. In fact, when I selected for the first time this view the Nav showed the closest Mall pretty nicely a couple of miles from where I am parked, something that I could not see before with the Map view at the same scale.

I only hope that this beta is stable in the long run. Thanks X5World! :thumbup:

Did anyone else notice the extra, greyed out option? Hrmmm :confused:

its a european option for the traffic information system. not available/supported in the US

In Europe this is TMC (Traffic Message Channel) and broadcasted on top of the radio-signal. With TMC the nav-system is told about traffic-jams and/or closed roads et on the planned route. You are prompted and can decide to be rerouted. Very NICE feature!

Cheers
7erAce

here is a info for german users:

i updated to V26.09 and it works fine :)

Henry

Oh, great. I´lll update on this afternoon :)

Yep Sirius is fine ... should have mentioned that before :-)

Can someone confirm for me that in the telephone sub-menu, if you press emergency option it no longer changes to the "emergency screen" like this -

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-...-Bus12copy.jpg

Is this just a symptom of the Nav in Euro mode now? Thanks.

I guess that it can still be changed back to the USA mode just by going to the dealer without affecting this new feature, right? :confused:

what do you think about exchanging the complete boot file 'navboot' to the one from V26.0 ? did anybody try this?
i assume it will not have effekt to the new features, but i am not shure.

sorry for my english, too.

Once I install this is it possible to get back to USA mode by installing v26 or will I have to get my dealer to recode it back?

I'll try it on my E46 M3 and get back to you guys...thanks for the awesome update...

I think that file contains most of the new software so you have to patch the file.

But has anyone looked inside that tioarch.tar and into those text files?! There are many interesting settings/options inside those .tio files. But do they actually change anything? Maybe someone should try...

No, I tried going back to V26 and no deal. I think the only way would be as Technic said to go back to the dealer for a recode. It might be a bit tricky if they notice the firmware version you have loaded in the settings menu ... or notices the boot screen image on start up :)

Hi,

today i drove about 400 km.

I didn't get any problem.
If you drive 200 KM/h then the MK4 has to work as a Pentium Xeon. But the other way, if you drive at that speed you must look on the road:)

The problem, wath isn't a problem, with the street names, is with splitscreen gone. You have to test it by yourselve, go into Perspective view, and than to the North view or the Drive destination view, and look wath the view is doing with the streetnames, and the other POI's.

The look from the birdview is very nice, and is working perfect.

Oke the problem is there, that the BMW loge is changed by T26-09A

T=test
26= software version
09A= number of Beta

The other way, if you go back to the V26, everything is like the V26 except, you still got the Birdview:) But if you change the view it is gone.

greets Appy

Just wanted to clarify. if you downgrade back down to V26 the birdview will still stay? i want to see if we can get the BMW Logo back on the screen when you open the doors. anybody hear anything about this?

Sort of ... if you go back to v26 then if you were previously using perspective view then the map will still be displayed like that with v26 loaded. However, if you then choose to select a different map positioning, then only pointing north or travel direction will be available. No perspective view. So it doesn't really solve your problem with the bmw logo, unless you are prepared to leave it in perspective view permanently :-)

Guys-I am computer NOVICE. After unzipping file is the mdf file the only one necessary to burn to CD? I cannot remember what I did when I burned the v26 CD. Oh-thank you very much for this great find!

Bob:thumbup:

Use Alcohol 120% to burn the disk. Follow the same instructions as are posted in this link for V26 - http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...-released.html

I will try to get my system recoded in a couple of hours... I'll report back. :thumbup:

For us MAC guys, change the .MDF to .ISO and use toast to mount the disk image. Then copy that Disk image to a new CD.

V26.09A Beta from Spain.
It works fine !! for the moment....
Regards..

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1224/vb72hi.jpg

HELP!! can I do this re the upload I do not have a CD only the Nav and a ipod.:( :( for

this patch is strictly for DVD based NAV units.

I have this feeling that right now BMWAG is reading this thread and laughing at how easy and cheap is to find Beta testers for their software all over the world... :D

I understand that but it says on the instruction to download to a CD so do you put the cd in the dvd player for the sat nav??? to upload the new software sorry but i'm not very technical on this type of thing

Many many thanks for that link from germany:thumbup:

For sure .... perhaps with all this customer interest from all over the world (this is spreading across the net at a fever pitch, just since yesterday evening) this new feature will make final production.

Also, hows the re-coding coming Technic ?

Language support should never be a problem. Every updated I have ever seen has all of the male and female supported languages in the MDF file:

D - German
E - Spanish
F - French
I - Italian
NL - Dutch?
GB - British English (which I use)
USA - US English
RUS - Russian

By using a Trial Version of UltraISO (http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso) you can open the image file and go into the V_2/Voices/0506 directory.

There you will see all of the language files usa_m.csf (USA Male Voice) etc. Since US English seems to be a menu choice regardless of region, simply rename usa_f.csf to usa_f.bak. Then rename the language you desire, for example rus_f.csf, to usa_f.csf.

Save the file, burn the image to CD and do the installation routine. Once done, choose USA as your language and the desired voice (in this case Russian) will play.

Thanks to the guys on the MINI board for explaining this to me.

-RSZ

yes, the patch must be burned to a CD. then loaded into the
DVD drive for installation. once installed, it is removed and the
DVD map is inserted back into the DVD Drive.

thanks for that never burned a disk in my life so will need to buy some cd's tomorrow. don't even know if it will allow me to burn using my Laptop.

I've downloaded the alcohol 120% and the files. However when I pick the v26-09a then click next it comes up with this message:

Because an unsupported image fiel format is being used,you should manually set the track format,block size and other information. You MUST do this to record the image file!

NOTE: The unsupported image file will be burned/emulated as a ONE-track_only disc. If this image file contains multi-track data,the burned/emulated disc will not be recorded the same as the original disc.

What should I do next???? HELP!!!

check this out nav_gd.tio

If someone wants to try and enable OFF-road Guidence, I think this is where they should start

[OffroadGuidance]
OffroadGuidanceMode=1
OffroadGuidanceVoiceMessageMode=1

For anyone who wants to get the BMW Logo back here's the instructions...

1. Set the Map view to Perspective as available from loading v26.09A
2. Reload v26 NavOS
3. After system reboots you get back the BMW Logo and version reverts back to v26 on settings menu.

Downside to doing this...
- Perspective option is no longer available from Map view options, so to keep perspective view never change it again... unless a better solution is available
- in any case a different Map view is selected just reload v26.09A to get the Perspective view back.

I think those are already ON. But looks like this thing may have a debug-mode, inside the nav_dg.tio is DevelopmentMode=0 . I just wonder what happens when that is changed to 1? There are many interesting texts inside bsw_tools like: Toggle streetname, Toggle icon mode, Voice test, Update rate, OFFROAD SETTINGS etc. But who knows if those work/appear on-screen or just via some debug port...

Guys-I know should know this but is only one file in the download burned with Alcohol 120% and is it necessary to rename file? Lastly when I burned v26 months ago used trial of Alcohol then. Now is required to purchase. Does anyone know price?

Thanks for helping computer challenged!

Bob

Hi! Thanx a lot for making this update available! My Cooper S works fine with the update with one exception: my phone menu item does not respond any longer... steering wheel controls do still work...

There are 3 files in the zip folder. One is just a readme file from your friends here at X5world. One is a control file used by Alcohol 120%. And one is the ISO image file. Alcohol 120 will know what to do with these, you don't have to worry about it.

If you go to http://shop.alcohol-soft.com/en/purchase_120.php you will see the purchase price for this software is 42.51 Euros (about $50).

Dear UCrewX5-thank you for educating me and getting back to me so fast.

Bob

I just came back from the dealer recoding successfully -so far- the Nav back to USA mode:

http://xoutpost.com/gallery/files/1/9/3/5/v26092.JPG
http://xoutpost.com/gallery/files/1/9/3/5/v26091.JPG

Emergency is back in the Telephone menu:
http://xoutpost.com/gallery/files/1/9/3/5/DSCF0008.JPG

This TMC menu is still present in the USA mode:
http://xoutpost.com/gallery/files/1/9/3/5/DSCF0007.JPG

So far, so good... :)

Good stuff Technic! Is the emergency menu also on the main menu screen, and does it take you to the Emergency sub menu screen ?

Also, how do you get to that TMC sub-menu ... not seen that before.

Did you get the BMW logo screen back too?

Germany
 

I have done it in Germany, it works well and the whole update-process runs automatically.

I don't worry about loosing the BMW-Logo, the perspective mode ist great:) . Hope, that the beta runs through daily usage, I don't want to miss this feature.

Thx to X5world from a 7er from Germany

Greets
Ralf

thank you all. don't forget to check out the rest of the site, and the online WDS (Wiring Diagram Service). We could add the remaining models or provide it to other sites to use...

cheers!

I have to agree!

Me and vollgasfahrer are from the same forum in germany and everyones of us likes this version. Greets from Germany.

This looks awsome - thank you.

I am having problems downloading the file though. Is it temporarily down?

When I click save file as... it saves the page, and when I click it brings me to "http://www.xoutpost.com/"

no. its working. in fact, i'm d/ling right now.

you should click on the file link. a popup will ask you where to save it, and commence download.

Turn back your system date and you will be within the trial period. After you are done with A 120 set the date back again.

I'm gonna hold off on this update for a week or so while my Beta testers take it for a ride. :) Sounds like a cool upgrade though!

So far so good and if problems arise I already tested loading original v26 and no issues going back if needed.

Worked perfect on my 03 Z4
heres a Video
http://box.net/public/z4dave/dfiles/up10.3gp
Right click and save please

Imagine one day seeing this on your screen...

http://www.carhacks.org/archives/vwnv.jpg

I'm having the same problem. Both the Firefox and Internet Explorer forwards me to the front page of the X5World. Any other ideas how to download the file?

Are you on a Mac? I had the same problem with Safari.

Download worked flawlessly when using the Camino browser.

Are you using a Firewall ? So you must disable it.

Hi,

This does look superb, but can you tell me does TMC still work?

Thanks,

Da\/e.
www.medwaycomputers.co.uk

Seeing Volkswagen signs on my car's navi screen would be a sad day... :)

THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Yes, the beta version still the TMC. Checkecd !!!!!!!1
Regards.

what do you need for TMC to work?

:iagree: and also having TMC is only useful if you live somewhere where they are broadcasting information that the TMC system can utilize. Currently not deployed in the U.S. :tsk:

The Emergency option is also on the main menu, with full functionality. That TMC sub-menu was available in the Map Positioning sub-menu; it is not available anymore after selecting/deselecting it it (it works the same as the Perspective if you revert back to V26, as long as you don't mess with it it will remain in the screen).

Unfortunately no, the beta version code still shows up plus the Accept screen. I was not expecting a miracle anyway... :D

Does anyone know why it only works on MKIV and not on MKIII? Is it bacause of hardware limitations?

omfg, I must possess this!

Menü AUX Vent lost - CODIERUNG!!!
 

Hi,

After load the BETA Software the Codierdata in Navigationsunit set to Factory. ( Without Codierung ). ( You can see in Servicemenu, after loading no VIN in Servicemenü, and the Wehicle Typ is 7er ). After BETA Update you must at BMW Dealer the Nav Unit with GT-1 Codieren. After Codier process the Nav Unit have with Accept screen and Aux-Vent, etc.

Janos fromm Hungary

I have followed the download instructions and burned the CD. As a check that I haven't screwed up, could someone please confirm the size of data stored on the CD? - I have 55.7MB.

Thanks

That matches the size of my CD :thumbup:

Great, thanks.
_______________________

I had been having problems with my nav volume previously, that BMW UK Technical Department completely failed to resolve. I then followed your instructions for setting absolute nav volume which solved the problem. I'm not even sure they knew the service menu existed!

Glad we could help you with this as well.

:xoutpost: Stick around, I think you'll get a whole lot more from the great people here!!

Guys-just wanted to again thank all for this. I was faced with purchase of Alcohol 120% for $55. I renamed file from .mdf to .iso so it is image file. Then I used DVD Decrypter to burn image file to CD-R and worked very fast and easy. Saved from buying Alcohol 120% and wanted to give heads up to anyone in my position with trial period of Alcohol being up. You can download DVD Decrypter from the following website. Pete's website is very informative:

www.dvdplusvideo.com/tutorial007.html

Bob:thumbup:

Hi,

Processor MK3: 54 MHZ
Processor MK4: 108 MHZ

Memory FlashSpeed MK3: 15 MIPS
Memory FlashSpeed MK4: 70 MIPS

Janos

Oh'yea.... it was the firewall ... thanks!

When I click on the link it brings me back to the main page. Anyone else having this problem? Thanks.

awesome.. can't wait to try this.. and I can't wait for the V27 to come out.. do we have any ETA on that..

HELP!!!

I knew I would be the one to get f-cked here, with my luck. I attempted the update...all went as it was supposed to, or so i thought. It then said remove the CD, confirm OK and your new NAV will load in a few minutes.

Well, many minutes have come and gone, and all I have is the T26.09A thing showing on the screen. It does nothing beyond that.

I've changed key positions, started the car, same result. So, now I cant see my radio controls either. http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/image...s/banghead.gif Anyone have any suggestions here, or experience something similar? HELP!

As well, i then tried to put the old V26 update CD back in...nothing!

I need help from the experts here....Thanks in advance!

Hello Didi,
Yesterday I put the Software on my nav. The update procedure worked well. Same steps then described. On my Navi, I have german, french and english language available. It worked pretty good!
Regards from Germany
Lenos

Hi,
where kann i can download the new OS? the link dont work:(

It's found at the bottom of this page - http://www.xoutpost.com/navos.html (you must be registered and signed in to access this)

Hi, I'm a MINI-driver that applied the patch to his nav. it looks very good, but it seems to be very buggy. availability is around 75%, nav often hangs up in boot process... so I can't recommend for MINI-drivers. Besides the phone option will not work any longer :-( sad but true. So I can only hope that v27 will contain "perspective view" for all MKIV systems, even if some of you guys said development was stopped by bmw.
kind regards from germany

Didn't Lexus or some other manufacturere signed up with Google already?

V26.09a install
 

Hi,
I just installed my V26.09a for my 7, & everything went just fine. I like the new perspective look, but I miss the "==BMW==" splash page/logo. Nothing like a free mod! :) Thanks to Appy for getting us the info & thanks to UcrewX5 for making it available & answering all the questions.

Guys.. I got it updated and everything was fine... but then after like 5hrs or so.. after I got into more car after dinner.. I got nothing.. just a black blank screen???? the whole nav/radio/screen will not turn on.. radio work just fine.. but no screen????? anyone else have this problem..???

spec:

2004 X3
MKIV
already updated V26 back in Sept or Oct of 05' work greated til after this V26.09a???

anyone

:xoutpost: Glad to see you finally stopped by to say hi ;)

Go Wings!!

Chris, try pulling fuse #7 and #41. Leave them out for a couple of minutes. Make sure you put the V26 OS CD in the DVD drive before doing this, so that way when you plug the fuses back in and turn the key to position one, the computer should start reloading the system software.

I found out about fuse 7 and 41 just tonight after my NAV locked up. I didn't have to disconnect the battery to do this. Good luck. PM me on M3F.c to let me know if you're successful.

That was a typo, right? You meant Kings!!, didn't you? ;)

I don't know about Lexus but... http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...tml#post102109

v 26.09 is older than v 26 ?
 

has anyone noticed that date of the main nav file in 26.09a is older than in official v26 release ?

26.09 is 05.2005
the real 26 is 07.2005

i think that cd 26.09a created prior to official release of v26

and i think that 3d view was canceled prior v26 release
and v27 will not have 3d too

in v26 there is code for 3d view
first off all, it is possible to find phrase "perspective" in navboot file on cd
and, as we all know, 3d view "temporarely" works if we downgrade to official v26

there is tar archive file on cd "tioarch.tar" which holds some *.tio files with variables for navi soft

maybe it is possible to alter some variables or add one which enables 3d

maybe it would be possible to enable 3d view in real v26 or maybe in upcoming v27 if bmw really decided to cancel it

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Best regards from Lithuania

i burned a cd with a patched navboot including a individual startlogo now. Update is running but at the end it was displayed "a error occured..." and now the navi does not boot again.

any ideas to get back to the original software?
in worst case i have to send the navi to the manufacturer Siemens/VDO in Wetzlar (Germany)

edit: i took out the fuses 7 + 41 and after that i put the original V26.09 CD in. the normal update is running and now everything is ok :)

:) Upgrade works fine for me (E38 740i 2000 with DVD nav MKIV).
All functions still work. The "perspective" view is fantastic imho.
Have tested all functions and cannot find a fault.
Thanks Appy for making it available:)
(Now if a guru can come up with a nice splashscreen:rofl: )

Just noticed this guys... you lose search functionality. I'm going back...

Search for what? Could you expand a bit further?

which search functionality?

What was also missing was the automatical recalculation of the route. This feature was available with newer BM54 radios and TMC.

Since I have read that this version killed some navisystems I "downgraded again to V26 - and kept the angle view (unfortunately I can not change the view, otherwise I will loose the feature).

Another reason why I "downgraded" was the info that the official V26 is from an later date than the "birdview" version (so in principle I upgraded again to the V26).

Minister

I didn't know this was available on the High Navigation system, only professional (Dynamic Routing). Other than the manual Diversion option that is, which only takes the next available traffic incident into account.

Have you had a version of the Nav OS for High Nav systems (e.g. mk IV in X5) that allows automatic dynamic routing around traffic jams?

... the same here. :(

what`search function are you guys loosing. ????????

Sorry...

Go to Information and try to do a search for an specific place, be a restaurant or a store by name. In my case I only get back as a result the whole list of restaurants or stores regardless of the name that I input before.

Changing the map orientation did not make any difference in the search for me...:confused:

I did not even know we had that thought we only had POI ???????

I personally cannot lose this feature, I use it too much to find not only places but telephone numbers. I rather wait for the official V27 -or whatever number- release if it ever happens... :tsk:

How do I find out is my navigation an MkIV Nav Drive or not?

Review the Nav FAQ - http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/all-...ystem-faq.html

:xoutpost:

It only works with the MK4, the original V26 upgrade and a BM54 that was produced later than - i think - week 35 in the year 05. Mine is even newer and additionally supports MP3 Text in combination with the new BMW CD-changer (which I want to buy later this year...)

If you have a DVD drive you have a MKIV

Greetz,

Minister

PS: I have no X5, only an E39....

This is strange-some have lost search and I have not. I can enter name by spelling and search works fine. Maybe is difference in burning or CD media that caused different info entered when reboot? I do not know enough this type of technology to know.

Bob:dunno:

Maybe... on top of that, my Nav is running in USA mode and it seems that Obioban is still in Euro mode and we both have the same issue. I had redone this search for the last hour here and there with the same results. :confused:

Mine is in yards and miles so I guess mine is in european mode? Mine has the v26 beta and then this beta patch. I never did get "official" v26 OS update. Language choices on mine show English USA, E for Spanish, F for French. But since I am measuring in yards and miles with patch update am I in Euro or USA mode? Somewhat confusing. If I continue to have full function will keep but if I start getting overrun by bugs will reload v26 with my CD.

Bob

Same here, thanks for the tips everyone, and Bob ;)

Bob... your Nav is in Euro/GB mode once you loaded the beta patch. To change it to USA mode -and thus the distance in feet instead of yards- you have to take your car to the dealer for recoding.

I reverted to V26 and the search function came back; I will keep the Map in Perspective for the time being... I kind of getting used to seeing way more ahead of the road compared to the 2D maping.

that's ok minister-- x5 or not, always welcome here!

:xoutpost:

I can confirm the same problem. POI Information Search by specific string no-longer works. I went back to v26.

Have you read official tester's message that about 60% of navis were destroyed with 26.09 software? Just read/translate Chaplin's messages:
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/sho...5&pagenumber=6

Is...

... something like this?

I did not realize that the patch was this bad... is this for real? :confused:

a software destroys a calculator? how that? is the dvd-player running to fast or to long? is the cpu overclocked? i can´t believe that.

OMG I hope not good job my car is under warranty. I think that I had better install version 26 over the top again just incase.

Well,that is not impossible at all. There's flash memory chips in the nav unit. The software can write and read data from the flash. If the software corrupts the flash contents badly enough, the only possibility to recover is to change the chip to new one.

It seems that the beta is working badly, because there's a number of persons who has reported about the problems. I wouldn't update the beta into my nav.

Maybe it overheats the CPU and fries the chip? I think that is the only way that the whole unit would broke beyond (cheap) repair, if it just corrupts internal flash then the manufacturer should still be able to fix it.

I think I will first downgrade to V25 and then back to V26. Just in case since there are reports that the official V26 still has the 3D function build-in and enabled if you do just V26 downgrade.

Who knows, maybe this is just scare tactics from the tester. But I sure wouldn't like to buy another navi computer because of this.

That could be a possibility... I'm running Perspective with the V26 release, so it seems that I should de-select it just in case.

If it is broke, it's broke; that 60% chance is not a joke. Could have been a nice upgrade, though... :(

HI!

Sorry for my Bad broken english,

Chaplin say´s that no Version higher than v26 became a bird view funktion,and that the rights on the software only BMW had.
The Admin from the bmw-treff forum has close the session!!!:mad:

An now,what should i see:

http://cgi.ebay.de/BMW-MK4-Navirechn...QQcmdZViewItem

V27 a new version from BMW...

hmmmm,its v26.09 BETA or V27.....

see you

Michael:)

This thread has made me paranoid and I reloaded the v26 software that I had which was a beta version that I had downloaded from link here. I wasn't having problems with patch and wanted v26 back. One thing I notice is I am still in yards instead of feet. Does that mean I am still in European mode and going back to v26 left me still in European mode?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Bob

because of these paranoid statements i checked my navy now over many kilometers. the cpu-temperature was on 25km never over 52°C. I checked with a range of 50km in perspective(Birdview)-Mode (displaying changes very slow, CPU is working hard) and the DVD-player is only running, when a new target was defined.

i will keep V26.09 an have no concerns about my hardware.

... yes. :(

Thanks Technic.
Guess I should start speaking in european accent of my choice! When the official update is released I will get put in USA mode when I am at the dealer. Also noted that on telephone screen emergency is there but nothing happens when clicked. I will call Roadside or hit SOS button.:thumbdown

Hello Henry. Can you tell me how you were able to check the CPU temperature of the Nav unit? :confused:

Just before getting rid of the 3D view the GPS receiver quit working while in V26; no satellites were shown, map stuck in my house although I was miles away. Changing the 3D to 2D made the GPS come back...

No more 3D experiments for me... :confused:

i taped a sensor onto the cpu, laid the wire to the my digital multimeter and observed it while driving.

I think everybody is getting a little bit too scared :rolleyes:

Let´s resume all facts we have:

1: birdview is possible :)
2: The birdview "update" is older than the original V26 because:
- somebody posted the build
- some features get lost that were definately new with the V26 (automatical rerouting...)
3: nobody had a crash of the system till now - and when the software striked an update to the official V26 helped
4: When we update to the official V26 the birdview keeps working - and the official version killed no navi-system. Unfortunately the view gets lost after a change of the view.:confused:
5: with the official V26 and birdview everything else works perfect:)
6: Somwhere in the CD structure of the official V26 is the "path" to the birdview available - but turned of by BMW.:tsk:

So in conclusion there should be (theoretically) the possibility to create a "cracked" official V26 CD where the menue of switching between the 3 possible views is possible. The only thing we need is somebody who understands enough of the IT things :goodluck: (additionally this quiet inteligent guy (or lady) should then also find the security thing that keeps us away from using our own splashscreen)

So in principle:

Please MTV, pimp my MK4....:mantis:

Minister

(Keeping the Birdview after updating again to the official V26)

@ HenryH:

Since you already made the efforts to open you MK4 and taping a sensor on the CPU: is there a theoretical possibility to replace the CPU with a faster one or replace the ram with a bigger one (it should normaly use industrial standard components) - then the Birdview could run really smooth :rolleyes:

i think it is not a problem to replace the cpu with a faster one, but only this is will have no effect. i dont know how to change the bus-clock and other nessesary parameters. there is no documentation about this hardware available.

i tryed to crack the navboot. to exchange the pictures in the file is possible, but i could not create a correct crc, so my version is not running. i need a disassembler and compiler für OS-9 / OS-9000 modules but i found nothing in the web.

Errr, the splash screen has already been successfully hacked!

http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...-09a-beta.html

Read from about page 13.

I was one of the first to load the V26.09A and so far it's been every bit as stable for me as V26.

Now that the team has successfully hacked the splash screen the next task is to do exactly what you suggest, which is to hack V26 to enable the "Perspective" mode. There's a separate thread created to work on this effort. See http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...-v26-code.html

Jeff

:thumbup: thx very much

Yes, but if the problem is in the birdview code, i.e. it overloads some chip, then using the V26 still causes the same problems. But that 60% permanent failure rate was not clearly explained, I sure would like to know if the units failed immediately after the update or only after some time. If they failed immediately, then we have no problem since I think all units have worked after the update. I have reverted back to V25 and then to official V26 and I'm going to wait and see what happens in the next few weeks...

I would be very careful to be stating at public forums that this Perspective works "perfectly" at all while the jury is still out on this feature, regardless if it is under the Beta or the official V26 release, because at least in my case it was everything but perfect, even running Perspective under V26. Some people are reporting still missing the Search function even when they go back to V26 from the Beta.

Unless we can say as a fact that a particular MKIV SW/HW, or part number is directly affected when running Perspective, we simply cannot say that it is "perfect" for all MKIVs for the sake of this effort. In my opinion, we need more testing done to find out what's really going on with this Perspective before further modifications to this unstable code. :confused:

Guys-anyone that has opinion please answer. I got uptight and reverted back to v26 that I burned last year from X5 forum. I got the BMW screen back but do not have accept screen. Once BMW screen goes off goes straight to map. The software shows on settings screen 4-l/60. Is this correct and was the v26 posted last year beta version or the official v26? I am tempted to go back to v25 and then go back up to v26.

Thanks,

Bob:dunno:

Going back to V25 won't help. Your nav system is already in Euro mode, and must be recoded by the dealer.

James-got it.
Thanks,
Bob

It means the software in patch can change the nav system to euro mode.

So one can hack the software which will allow changing the version code of nav without going to dealer and much more !!!!!

:dancing:

e46-m3-boston-how would I go about that so I could be dancing?

Thanks,

Bob:dancing:

we update to V26-09 and it is in Spanish as before, so if your nav system is in German, it´ll be in German after update

Without looking back through 17pages of this thread can someone answer a question. Are icons disabled now that I am running 26a? Or am I just having a blonde moment and not seeing the settings to turn them back on??

blonde, sorry:)
perform a search for something and the icons will appear. my icons appeard again after that procedure. regards, morbus

Been watching this thread with interest from the beginning..... I had previously updated to V26 from this site and have now loaded the patch and gone back to V26 will keep my fingers crossed I dont fry the system!!

Everything worked a treat, exactly how the instructions say....

I do have one question, I relented and purchased 120% what else can I use it for!! :rofl:

Many thanks

Jason
Northampton, England...

Jason-don't know what else you can use Alcohol 120% for but could have used DVD Decrypter which is free from site that I had posted in this thread. I was faced with purchasing Alcohol but did not need it.

http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/tutorial007.html

Click on DVD Decrypter/DVD Shrink link and then you can download DVD Decrypter. I downloaded the patch file and then renamed it as iso file from mds file and used this as source file for DVD Decrypter and worked great. Hope it can help you with things in the future.

Bob:2thumbs:

Bob,

I am embarassed to say I already have that software on my PC, used it a couple of times to get DVD's onto PSP :rolleyes: Doh!

Jason

Hi Guys,

I have just upgraded the Nav OS to V26 then patched upgrade tp V26.09A, the system seams to be working great so far. The new view is great its getting closer to the Luxis standard, however, the only comment I have is that the the minor road names are not detailed with the V26.09A. Could this be improve????.

Many thanks for the upgrades will keep watching for more improvements.

BASHARIT

Nav OS. V26.09A upgrade
 

Great stuf new upgrade working fantastically well.

Looking forward to further upgrades.

Great work Jeff keep going.

BASHARIT

Closing this thread. See http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...ing-logos.html for any further info on this topic.