V27 available now!
 

A few minutes ago I installed the new V27 OS to my nav computer. The version number is 4-1/70 now, but there are no differences to the 26.09a except the logo and the versionnumber...

You have to activate "perspective mode" in the secret menu, but that's it. I thought V27 should be more smoothly, but it is'nt.

stefan

hello
i'm interested by the new version. where can i found it?
thank's
ERIC

It has not yet arrived at the usual places but your BMW-dealer should have it and can do the upgrade...

V25 Was the most smoothly on mij mk4. Don't you people agrey?

No "perspective mode"? What's diferent to V26?

I think there's no difference between v27 and v26 if you don't enable the perspective mode in the secret menu.

If you do that, you get the same version like 26.09a. Not more - not less.

Stefan

Do you have a copy of V27?

Even if he does, I'm more than SURE that he wouldn't offer it up here as that would be ILLEGAL! The nav firmware (just like the nav map data) is copyrighted material and shouldn't be passed around via this board or the Internet in general.

If you want V27, then you need to get it from your local BMW dealer.

It's a five minute install (tops) and most dealers don't charge for doing the update when you bring your car in for service.

I'm going to check with the local dealer in SoCal re: V27 availability.

To my thinking, it's perfectly legal. It's a firmware upgrade for a hardware you PURCHASED, and as such, it should be free. For computer hardware I've never seen a company that doesn't distribute firmware upgrades freely.

We could argue on this, but it's pretty pointless, if we take such laws by the wording, all of us are criminals - if my kid draws a BMW logo in kindergarten, that is an infringement of copyright laws.
(Little bastard, next time I'll call the cops...)

Hmmm, what happened to the original post??

:confused: i was wondering the same thing.:dunno:

The original post by Facelift is still here re: V27 availability in Germany.

i think he meant the post that u quoted.
which, has now disappeared from ur post.:confused:

it was a post from TheOfficeMaven

No matter what anyone here says (and the sysops keep deleting my posts as they must not even want to hear it), the nav firmware is indeed copyrighted material and so it is illegal to pass it around (or even to modify it). I'm sure that BMW would simply look at the passing around of the firmware with a blind eye, but I bet that if you asked them for an official answer you'd get an ear full.

I personally don't mind it being passed around (nor modified) as I don't feel that it is hurting anything per se. However, you can't merely deny the fact that what I am saying about it being illegal to do so is true (and just keep delete my posts).

I find it really funny that this board allows one action to take place (i.e. the distribution and modification of the nav firmware), but strictly prohibits any mention whatsoever of the nav map data discs.

What a hypocrisy!

I have a feeling that me voicing my opinion is only going to get me kicked off this board (and I hope not as I really do like the board), but I feel that I have to do it. It makes me sick to see Ace going around shaking his fist at anyone who even mentions the nav map disc, but at the same time feeling just fine about himself when it comes to the topic of the nav firmware. In my eyes (and according to the law - at least here in the U.S.) they're one in the same. You can't ignore one over the other.

Yes, apparently, the sysops don't like what I have to say about the nav firmware being copyrighted material.

So much for freedom of speech. eh! :rofl:

I agree with your point that it's just firmware and it shouldn't matter if we upgrade our systems (since we paid a lot of money for them). However, you just can't use that as a way of justifying the fact that it's still not legal to do so.

I have no problem updating my nav system's firmware with a modified/hacked copy (as most folks here don't), but I don't try to kid myself that what I'm doing is legal either.

Okay... Enough being off-topic. I won't say anymore (I hope my posts remain this time though as it really is something folks should think about - especially Ace).

Let's get back to the details of V27!

Hi Stefan,

Could you please explain what you mean by "the secret menu"? It's my understanding that in V27 (as with V26.09a) you can turn on the Perspective mode using the same menu where you select Pointing North or Travel Direction. Is this the menu that you are refereing to as the "secret menu"?

Thanks!

i honestly don't get y it would be illegal.
BMW doesn't charge for firmware upgrades,
nor does any other hardware manufacturer
that i know of. Bios upgrades for PC are free
to download, firmware for cell phones, etc.
if there was a charge for the upgrade, as there
is a charge for NAV Maps, i could understand.:dunno:

either way, like u said, on the v27.

You have to enable it in the navi service menu, for the perspective option to appear in the list.

Ah, I didn't know that...

Is there a "how-to" posted here that describes how to access the service menu and enable the Perspective mode?

I held off installing the V26.09a (and hacked V26) enventhough I really want the Perspective view, because I didn't want to drop my nav computer into Euro mode (where it uses yards over feet, etc.). Thus, I'm looking forward to V27 so that I can now get the Perspective view without having to do the downgrade first.

Thanks!

What is the apparent reason of this "hiding" in a release version? :confused:

What else is changed from V26 to V27? Because if the changes are limited to Perspective and the sucker is hidden then that's like me saying that I'm dating JLo but she does not know it yet. :D

Don't flame me, but I don't see how it can be hypocritical. BMW sell map disks so the piracy of this copyrighted material is effectively harming their bottom line. Firmware upgrades like the ones we are discussing have no $ value to the consumer. Some dealerships charge labour for the install time but that's about it.

I think the real risk is invalidating your NAV warranty by not using BMW engineers to perform the upgrade. This is something that the owner has to accept when installing the upgrade, and I personally would rather download from a great site like this and do the 2 minute flash than have to schedule a visit to the dealer. It's no big deal. Now modifying the source is a different matter and I for one won't touch a none BMW released disk again, but I appreciate having the opportunity to say no and wish luck to others that bite the bullet.

I hope all the legal talk doesn't delay the posting of V27 on this site as I'm looking forward to it :thumbup:

From the main menu go to settings, then press and hold the menu button for 12 seconds or so and you'll get into the service menu.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I found one little difference.

i put the nav by myselfe to my car, and bmw told me it does'nt fit, because i have a low IKE. now it work's, but i can't change settings like the clock, the date, speak, memo, degrees celsius/farenheit and some other things, which does'nt really matter.

now with v27 i can change the speak from german into english or france... cool... :confused:

remote start
 

Anybody have a remote start on their X5 ?? I herd its not good for the X5

:confused:
um, u may want to start a new thread on this topic.
either that or do a search on the topic.

Great!

Thanks for the information. :)

Me too!:excited:

If it's not posted here, it will be posted somewhere on the net. After all, the net is simply one large intellecutal property infringement. :)

TheOfficeMaven - you are really doing my head in with this copyright crap!! I pay £50K for a bloody car and expect an up to date operating system on the sat nav. It's free. BMW make the money on the Nav disk and big money at that.

My car is in at the dealers tomorrow and I am going to get the V27 CD from a mate who works there - I'll post it somewhere for the world to see. People may download it free of charge. WTF there is some f***er on ebay selling V26 for £14.99 + postage - and guess what? BMW don't give a f***.

Me three!

copyrighted....Who cares!!!!

That's great! I'm glad that my posts are making folks think about this at least.

As I've mentioned, I have no problem with it at all (and I sleep just fine at night too).

The ONLY reason I mentioned any of this is because I don't like the way that Ace is jumping on anyone who mentions anything at all about the nav map data discs (and I could care less about those being "shared" as well). I just want him (and others) to recognize that there's no difference between the two from a legal perspective.

You/we may feel more comfortable ripping off the nav firmware (because as you've mentioned, BMW doesn't directly charge for it - although you do indeed pay for it in the long run though with the extraordinary price they charge us all for their very outdated nav systems), but truth be told, they are both copyrighted material and it's still wrong to do so (no matter how you want to look at it).

A nice example I can think of is iTunes... That's free software (although you are paying for it in the purchase price of your iPod), but if you think that Apple would sit back and let folks hack it up and then re-distribute it, you've got another thing coming. Hell Apple's all over my back right now for this very thing (well close anyway). We're just lucky that BMW doesn't seem to mind is all.

Again, I'm okay with all of this (in fact I quite enjoy it all). I just want folks to know the truth and not walk through life with blinders on is all.

DVD/CD map data disc or nav firmware update disc... It's all the same. If the sysops choose not to promote anything to do with the map data discs, that's fine. But please don't let other forum members chastise folks for posting about them. Let the sysops deal with it.

EXACTLY my point. :D

So why single one out over the other?

Bring on V27...

Not sure about the answer to this, but are the company that makes the OS and the Nav CDs/DVD one and the same? Maybe there's been a cease & desist sent to the admins of this site that we all don't know about?

JV

That's quite possible.

I believe that the map data is owned by NavTeq and licensed to BMW for use in their nav systems. However, I'm sure that the firmware is done in the exact same way. More than likely, the firmware is written by a separate company and then licensed to BMW (or whomever the manufacturer of the nav units are). Thus, whomever wrote the firmware owns the copyrights to it (unless they sold it outright to BMW).

The navigation operating system is produced by VDO for BMW. BMW has a license to redistribute it to both their dealers and to the retail channel. If you want to be 100% legit, you can either have your dealer perform the upgrade (which may or may not be done at no charge) or you can order part 01-59-0-141-891 from any BMW parts counter. That is the NAV OS update CD. Note that the part number does not change when a new version comes out, only the "Index" number does. So you may get an out-of-date disc.

Ho-hum!

I just think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this is a piece of software that makes it easier and more fun for us all to get from A to B. Ok as satnav users we have a little advantage over the majority of drivers when we are enjoying our leisure time, getting to work, taking the dogs for walks, etc. 10 years from now EVERYONE will have satnav in their cars and it will be no big deal. Lets enjoy that extra little bit of security and comfort while we can.

I don't really know the owners/founders, but this seems to be predominantly a none profit site that only gives to it's viewers. I understand what OfficeMavern is saying but if BMW were jacked about it I'm sure all those OS image files would have been removed months if not years ago. Basically X5world is saving BMW a load of admin and labour, while also getting free customer feedback (the beta recodes accepted). I think it's a no brainer that they leave well alone.

I think it's VDO/Siemens that work on the OS-9000 firmware. I'm confident there is a clear strategic distinction between the issue of proprietary licenced NAVTEQ map disks and firmware releases. If a dealership supplies you with a new map disk it costs them materials- if its a firmware upgrade it costs them time.

So V27 - let's be having it then!

At this time I'm expecting to have it by the weekend and will provide information to the X5world community as to how to obtain a copy of it.

Personally I am in the camp where, while I acknowledge that it is copyrighted software, BMW does offer to its owners a free update of the firmware to the navigation system that we have already paid BMW for the rights to benefit from. Accordingly, I view this as a service being provided by us to BMW free of charge to help with the broader distribution of said firmware updates :D

Stay tuned....