NavCoder v2.1 Released
 

:thumbup:

Hey thanks CortinaD - NavCoder wouldn't be as good as it is without the support of fellow BMW enthusiasts. Big :thumbup: in return!

KiwiJ

Thank's a lot!!!

Regards

TommyL

Thanks. Looks awesome. Great piece of work.
Cheers

KiwiJochen, great job, thanks for al the work.

Yeah, geat job, thanks:thumbup:

Just fixed a stupid bug, uploaded file has been corrected, version is now 2.1.1

Kiwi, and what about coding color to mono?

Gren, I do not have a mono nav or a car with mono radio-nav

If you have one, can you help me?

now not have........ :damn:

OK, if you do get one and want to help, just ask..

Navcoder Errors
 

Hi Kiwijochen,

I have downloaded your lastest version and am doing the whole navcoder thing for the first time.

I got the german to make the ibus interface for me so I am sure your have dealt with his work before.

I am getting the following errors.

I have attached screenshots and the navcoder logs

Your help would me great.

Thanks in advance
Shane

Oops Sorry files didnt attach
 

Here are the attachements

NavCoder is working perfectly - telling you you have no ibus connection to the car.

Check your ibus interface is actually connected to the ibus

Thanks for the quick reply.

I have attached another pdf of the ibus interface.

I am not sure if the connection I am using is correct I read your readme file that came with the navcoder and I think I have the brown wire lined up with the ground pin see pictures.

As you can see in the picture there is a spare pin



Any advice here would be great.

Kiwijochen,

Sorry to waist your time here.

I changed laptops and used my old one that has Windows XP it your NAVCODER worked like a charm. I guess it must be an issue using vista.

Thanks

The FTDI USB chipset, that the Resler interface uses, requires drivers under Vista but not on XP. You can get them from http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

Hi Shane_Smith, glad you got it working !
RichardP1 - thanks for the tip - I'll add a note to my ReadMe file.

Hi Jochen,

i got a Mono MK4, i will test it with your new program.

gr. Appy

Hi Jochen !

first of all: thanks for your great work!


BUT: regarding the "TV unlocking" feature:
I found out (after a large series of tests...) that the only way the TV coding works is the following:
1.) set ignition to II (last before engine start, perhaps other positions would also work)
2.) coding TV Tuner with your software
3.) turn ignition totally off (eject car key)
... waiting 10 seconds ...
4.) turn ignition on again (position II)
5.) unplug TV Tuner (blue connector)

If I ONLY turn off the ignition or ONLY unplug the TV Tuner after coding, the coding does not work. (neither enabling nor disabling "TV in motion" funktion).

If I don't unplug the TV Tuner after ignition off->on, a click on "Read TV settings" shows me the correct status I coded, but it does not work like coded.


Does anyone have an idea why I also have to unplug the TV Tuner (so completely disconnect from power)

You did not wait long enough for the car to power down. Like the nav, the video module switches on and off according to the ibus traffic. 10 seconds is not long enough for the car to have gone to sleep.
As an indication, the red LED on the nav shows when there is ibus traffic - when the red LED on the nav goes out, then the ibus is in a sleep state and all connected devices have shut down.

Then after 15min, the entire car goes to sleep - light on transmission goes off - this is the full power-down for the vehicle.

Jochen

Ahh! I understand. Thanks!

strange: I also tried it with the 1.36 russian BMW scanner (from which also you have the codes as I think) and with this I tried it with the "complete ibus shutdown, but it didn't work.

anyway: fine that your software works!

Respect for your work (you do for free) !!! :thumbup:
(as you know, I also do a lot of HW and SW developement and I know that hours and days pass away like nothing with things like that)

Hello,

I am new here.
First of all I want to thanks all to have such a forum open en share all knowledge.

My question is:

Has anyone have this worked with Win98 ME?

I get all kinds of data on the screen, but if I want to set someting, I get an error.

Thanks in advance

Please specify the error you get and also if its an error from the NavCoder Software or Operating System/Windows

Sorry for not being complete.
See attachment for a part of the logfile. ecspecially the error from 21:16:06

MK4, OS29.1, connected via CD-changer.
Laptop physical comport, Win 98ME. Com settings 115200,8,None,1,None
Also 9600 no solution.

It seems that I have connection but only reading, no writing.
Sometimes I get radio and TV in a scan.

Is it nesscesary to have the disc when trying to change the language?

Thanks for helping

If you add a language that is not currently not available (also if you only change the type (female/male) you will definately need the OS CD.
Otherwise, you can also switch the language without coding: just go into "Settings" on main menu and select one of the available languages.

I have a OS (29.1) cd, so this is no problem
I want to change it to dutch, which is not availible in the settings.
I also want to look at other options

Is there a step by step manual or is there a way to test the interface.



Thanks for reply,

Perhaps your iBus interface is defective !
I see no valid reason, why you should be able to receive via the serial port, but not send.
And as long as I can see in your log: you can send !

I'm sure to 99,9% that this is no software failure but hardware.

I saw that this question was already asked.
I also think to know what the cause is.

The Q2 of the interface is mounted wrong.

Thanks for your help

Fine that you could determinate the reason !

Now it's also clear why it "sometimes" worked: a transistor also works the other way round (bad, but it does)


Tomorrow I "MUST" try the "Code Defaults" funktion to recode an MK3 from color-Screen for an E46 with radio nav.

Good work :thumbup: KiwiJochen, Great peace of software.
Win 98ME works fine, very fast with 100ms.

After the interface was ok, I changed the language.
This does not change the MID language.

Is there a way to change the language of the MID?

If there is anything to test, I volunteer.

Tell me what car you have and what language it is now, and what language you want. I'll send you the command to change language of the Car (and then MID will change too)

I have navi in Dutch.
The MID was not recognized by navcoder.
Car is E39 from 2002

MID is currently German and would like to have Dutch.

Thanks in advance

Hmmm... as far as I know the MID supports 6 languages only, with GB, US, DE, FR, IT and ES

Have you ever seen a NL car with a NL MID in Dutch?
I'm not sure Dutch language was built into the MIDs memory

Jochen

Do you have Navi and MID in the same car?
I've never seen that combination, but I believe it is theoretically possible... with navi in front and MID in the read (in which case in becomes FMID)

Jochen

Hi, I am new to the X5World forum and am planning to fit NAV to my X5.

I have been reading a bit about the NavCoder and have a few questions. I don't quite know what it is or how to connect to my Nav to use NavCoder, is there an explanation somewhere on the forum, thanks.

PC

The MID is in the dashboard. With Carsoft I can change the language, but I can't see from which part.
Situation is like this:
Navi : Female dutch
Navi : Menu, Partly dutch, partly English
MID : German.

I can''t remember that I have seen a car with Dutch MID, perhaps I shall visit a dealer, just to take a look.

If there is any news, I would like to hear it.

If you download the great programm from Jochen, in the ZIP there is a good explenation.

Goodluck

I cannot understand how you can have MID and Navigation in the E39 - there is no option in the parts list for this.
The E39 is delivered either with MID or with navigation.
You cannot have both.
Both the MID and the navigation occupy the same place in the dash above the heater controls.

Please post a photo of your 'MID' - you may be referring to something else by mistake.

Hi there,

I think Bempie is reffering with "MID" to the dashboard language!
And like Jochen whas saying, it seems that the dash language cannot be put in dutch, simply because there is nowhere on this globe an e39,e38 with this language sold ever, maybe someone can write this to the rom or translate another language, but that's out of my league!
When talking with a bmw staffmember he told me that holland has manifesting to take dutch as an option, and BMW did but only in the later bmw's with the idrive.

I still hope for any solution, but it seems not happening

Regards

Joël

Ah... the 'dashboard' is the IKE or Instrument Cluster.

The Instrument Cluster can only present the text in one of 6 languages: GB, US, DE, FR, IT and ES

The closest you can get to what you want is Dutch on the Mk4 nav (menu + spoken) and English or German on the IKE.

The Mk3 nav never had NL as an official language, so if you have a Mk3 nav and wish to make it NL, you must translate all of the text yourself, using the Mk4 NL text as an example.

Misunderstanding from my side.
I thought that Multi Information Display was on the dashboard.
Sorry from my side, maybe I want to much at once.

One of these days I shall experiment further.

Thanks for clearifing this.

No probs. The dashboard text display is called the CHECK CONTROL and only supports the 6 languages like I showed above.
The text for the check Control display comes from:
1. Navigation
2. Instrument Cluster
3. Light Control Module
Whilst as you know the nav is easy to change, the Instrument Cluster and Light Control Module cannot be changed to anything other than the 6 languages they support.

I have a V25 CD with NL language and menu's for the MK3.

The menu is patitial Dutch. Stuff like information are in English
Dutch female spoken.

btw:

Is there ay way to activate the auto door lock?
I had this with Carsoft, but it worked only once.

Thanks for the help

>> The menu is patitial Dutch. Stuff like information are in English
Maybe you have a customised software version loaded where someone has translated some text into Dutch. What version is fitted?

>> Is there ay way to activate the auto door lock?
This is a customisable setting that a dealer can program for you using the diagnostic tool. I would love to add this to NavCoder, I have yet to learn how.

I have firmware ver 29.1 loaded. It is a modded version with the M-logo.
After changing the language with Navcoder I choosed Dutch.
Speaking and main menu is Dutch. A part is German, and one part is English

I don't know if auto doorlock can be activated via I-bus.
It is activated with carsoft. It only has functioned one time.
Reading with the diagnostic tool gives that it is activated, but still not functioning.
I was just wondering if it is possible to get this working via I-bus.

One of these days I shall do it all over again. I am determent to have it worked correct.

>> Speaking and main menu is Dutch. A part is German, and one part is English

If you can describe better which part is German and which part is English I may be adle to understand how I can help get more of the car in either English or German for you.

I have made a compilation of the menu's.
Sorry for the contamination. It be better if it was possible to attach ZIP-files.

PS:

I will be out of town for a week, I won't be able to read the reactions and tips. june 18 I be back.

Thanks for all help

Hi, What you have is the following:

You navigation operating system has been modfiied so that the English text has been replaced by Dutch by someone. This is all the Dutch text you see.

The navigation map disc contains all the text for the REISINFORMATIE menus. The map appears to have had the Dutch 'Autovelox' added to it, but the person that added the info forgot to change all other menu text into Dutch. You can fix this bvy making a new map disc with the correct Dutch text

The TELEFOON I am not sure about - this may be text on the OS disc in the nav that was not changed (which you can fix), or it may be text generated by the telephone unit itself (which you cannot change).

I see your problem and recommend you try:
1) Make a new map disc with all the menus in Dutch

2) Determine what language was modified in your car - did they change English to NL, or German to NL?? Your instrument cluster self test may show you. Otherwise, you need to do a trial and error, or see which directoty on the map dis had the Autovelox added

3) for the Telephone you have to figure out where the language text comes from, and if from the phone, decide whether you want English or German.

Hi Kiwijochen.

Thanx for a really nice software. I just coded my TV to run in motion. Worked perfect:thumbup:

I have a small request if possible. Would it not be nice to be able to select from which unit you like to see the messages?
I'm usually work with heavy construction machinery and they are also packed with computers today.
There we have the possibility to select the ECU's we whant to see the "conversation" from for fault tracing purposes.

Just a thought....

BR / Tobmag

I have started to add in a message filter. At the moment it is a simple 'Filter out device status request/ready' messages

I'd like to expand it to something like

"Show messages from <Any> to <Any>"
Then the user can select which device he wants to monitor

And that will prevent screen clutter

But I'd like to get another release out shortly, so I might wait a bit for the filter.

Jochen

I've tested the navcoder yesterday. It's nice.

But I could not force a monocrome mk4 to work in color mode.

Is there someone who did it successfully?

I've changed a few by making a special OS disc that forces the nav into a mono-outputting-colour mode. You'll find my instructions in this forum - seach for threads posted by me to find it.

yes I've already tried it and it works that way.

but whenever you do an update with an original os disc it jumps back to monochrome again.

That is right. But at least you got it going.

I wish I knew how to properly recode it, but I don't fully know how

:) i have updated my mcs , now i have back dutch language on nav-screen/systeem ! interface works nice :)

Jochen, is there a way to figure that out? for example by logging the process while bmw is recoding the nav?

What I see when trying to recode the nav with navcoder is, that the screen (which is black as it is monocrome mode) somehow blinks (like it gets an reset command) but nothing is displayed on the screen. And booting the os cd afterwards, does not change anything. the nav reboots after upgrade process and still seems to stay in monocrome mode.

That's is what happens to me either, screen blinks and then the os disc keeps spinning and i have to force it out, after that i cannot scan it with navcoder until i recode it with a original (not modified) v29.1

Jochem,

i have tried to code a MK3 into Dutch, everything goes well, at the end he ask for the software cd.
I put the V29.1 inside, code2, and he loads the cd, then the answer on the screen, no loading of languages required?????

I code the MK3 with, dutch and German.
Do you know witch mistake i make???

thanks in advange


gr. Appy

The Mk3 does not support the NL language.

In the Mk3 usw_load file, the only available languages are
GB, US, DE, FR, IT, ES

Only the Mk4 supports NL (and RU)

"logging the process while bmw is recoding the nav?" is exactly what I did, and I based NavCoder 'Defaults' on this process. Maybe I missed something - the log is 60 pages long....

Sorry you make a mistake.
MK3 also can be dutch.
I have a friend and i have set it to the dutch language.
There is a cd wich i use to set it in dutch.
100% sure!

Well, the Mk3 can be any of 50 different languages if you modify the software.
You want Zulu? No problem.
Maori? we can do it.
Russian? sure thing.
Fijian? why not.

Any language you want, if you translate the text yourself.

My point is that the STANDARD software produced by BMW only contains the 6 languages GB, US, FR, DE, IT, and ES.

The question was why doesn't NavCoder load NL on a Mk3 when using the BMW OS CD.
The answer is: the standard BMW OS CD does not support NL for the Mk3.

Ok maybe that is correct.
But it is possible to get it in Dutch.
So i trust you when you said that the original was not in dutch.

But Appy want it in dutch and he can contact me if he want.

Hello everyone,

I'm quite new in here and have been studing NAV's, IBUS, TV TUNER, etc. for the last two weeks (since I bought my 2006 BMW x3), so excuse in advance for some stupid thing I could ask or say ...

I've bought the Resler's Interface and I'm still waiting for it to change the "TV in motion feature", have also downloaded the Jochen's Navcoder !

Well my question is: BMW/NAVTEQ does not offer maps from Brazil to use in BMW NAV. I have Brazilian maps for DESTINATOR (winmobile) and for ROUTE 66 (also windows mobile). I'm quite sure destinator use maps from NAVTEQ . Is there a way to use my destinator's maps to buit a BMW MAP DVD ?
What OS does BMW NAV use ? Are the OS's different from one model to another ?

Thanks and sorry for my english mistakes !

The BMW system is made by VDO-Siemens, the map disc format is proprietary.

But a VDO-Siemens map disc will ork in the BMW.

Other cars that use the VDO-Siemens nav system are:
BMW
New Mini
Rolls Royce
VW Phaeton
Some French cars like I think Peugeot

You can try approaching these car dealers in Brazil and asking them if they have map discs for their cars. Start with Rolls Royce and VW Phaeton.

The operating system is the special Carin system, developed by Philips, and now owned by VDO-Siemens. The nav is a type of Unix computer, but very very very special. The nav even has a special Carin processor chip inside it.

There are no standards for nav systems, eveyr manufacturer does it differently.

Tks for your help.
It seems like my "hopes" are going away ...

BMW does not have those maps;
Also BMW Brazil doesn't import Minis, not even VW sells Phaeton here and Rolls Royce does not have official resellers in here.
The French cars ... most of them: Renault, Peugeot and Citroen are manufacured in Brazil, and none of them has nav systems ... There are also some imported french models, BUT again with no NAV system.

Until the end of 2005, the Brazilian laws did not permit using screens of any kind in the dash of the vehicles. Last year those laws had been changed and till now we've only got some portable PDA and PND (Garmin, MIO, Delphi, etc) with Brazilian maps.

Anyway, as far as NAVTEQ has already those maps from Brazil, I guess they will soon translate them to be used in the cars !

One mopre thing to try: find the local country agent for VDO car stereos, and ask them if they have their nav systems for sale.

The only way to get a map is if VDO/BMW/VW/Rolls Royce deide to make them

And unfortunately, a nav without a map is useless...

VDO should have the map data for Brazil according to this case studdy http://www.and.com/customercasestudies/vdodayton.php Unfortunatally there is no date on it, so it's anyone's guess if they are available now or when they will be in the future. Got to be worth asking VDO about it though.

Hi KiwiJochen I can changer the language of a radionavigation on bmw E46 with this software?

Yes, procedure is exactly the same as for a colour nav. Select language, click the button, follow any instructions on nav.
Of course, you need the OS disc!

Jochen, Free TV for digital modules are possible?

Ok thanks :thumbup:

Yes, you can code the Digital TV module for video in motion. The module has to be power cycled before the change takes effect.

Hallo Jochen!
I'm new here!
PLease tell me how to use the navcoder SW.
I guess it is a SW running on my windoes-laptop.
How to connect the Laptop to the Car ? (USB)
Do I need an Interface?
Where can I get it ?
Where have I connect it to the car ?

Thanks!!
peter

Hallo Jochen!
Do YOU have really the complete (?) list of the Error codes of this russian software?
I Have an Interface and the SW - but nbody in my area understands the error codes....
Could YOU help us please?

Thanks!!!
peter

Hi, with this software I can transform the MK3 from color to mono ? or I must modify only the cd of S.O.

Thanks

Coding VIN & vehicle on a Mk3 - requires OS CD?
 

I have installed a Mk3 into my traded E46, but want to code the VIN and Vehicle type from default (blank and 7er). Does this require the re-loading of the OS from CD after coding?

I don't have the Resler interface yet so am just thinking ahead (was hoping it would arrive today).

Am a little nervous of loading a Mk3 as I don't want to brick it before I pass the car on.:explode:

how do you install this?

Please read the Readme file.

Put Navcoder.exe in a directory somewhere and double click it. Easy.

Is the download link at the start of this thread working? I can't get it to work.

Thats probably because 2.2.0 has been released!!

Try http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/k...l/NavCoder.zip

Thanks Richard, I'd just noticed the new thread!

Are there any more details on the bluetooth voice enabeling?

'Incorrect CD/DVD Loaded?'
 

Guys,

I've modified v29.1 via navtweak and am trying to load it on my Nav system.

Using ImgBurn, I am consolidating the files into an .iso image and then burning it onto a memorex CDR at x1.

When I load the CD in the car the computer displays 'Incorrect CD/DVD Loaded. Please insert appropriate navigation CD/DVD.'

Any ideas where I am going wrong? I'm ruling out CD-write errors because I have done this four times with the same result.

BTW, this site is a great resource and I have learned a tremendous amount! Thanks for everyone's input!! :thumbup:

-justin

Ok,

1: you have downloaded v29.1 and unzipped it.
2: you have loaded the .iso file into a iso reader (like UltraIso) and drag n droped the navboot file out to the Desktop.
3: modded navboot with navteak (then saved).
4: drag n dropped navboot back into the iso (using UltraIso).
5: saved the modded iso image
6: used imgburn to write the now modded iamge to the disc.

Sounds like the iso write image is not working properly, you are not unzipping the .iso to the hard disc then writing the unzipped (and unpacked) iso to a blank cd are you??

1. I unzipped the v29. Yes
2. Then extracted all of the files from the image file and saved them to my hard drive.
3. Then modified modified navboot and saved it.
4. Then created a new, modified v29.1 iso file with the extracted files using imgBurn.
5. Then burned the image to a CD using imgBurn

Sounds like I took the long road, but is this the problem? I need to mantain the origional iso?

I also ran through this entire procedure using magicISO with the same result.

Thanks again!

-justin

Hi Justin,

Welcome to the forum BTW.

This sounds like where you have gone wrong, when you unzip the v29.1 zip file (to say c:\download\v29\) you should get 2 files, v29.mds and v29.mdf, do not extract, unpack or unzip any files from these files, they must remain as is.

Now is when you open the v29.mds in UltraIso, eg: run Ultraiso, File: open "c:\download\v29\v29.mds", then drag n drop the navboot file from dir "/V_2/RR/0101/BMWC01S/app_sw" from the mds file (not an unpacked dir on your PC), to the same dir as the unzipped v29.zip file "c:\download\v29\"

Copy the navboot to navboot.orig (as a safe backup) then mod your navboot file, then drag and drop it back into the still open (in ultraiso) v29.mds image.

Save the ultraiso image, File: Save as, "c:\download\v29\v29-modded.iso"

You should now have only 5 files in you v29 unzip dir (c:\download\v29\)

1: v29.mds
2: v29.mdf
3: navboo.orig (unmodded)
4: navboot (modded)
5: v29-modded.iso

Nothing else.

Use the v29-modded.iso to the create your CD. (with imgburn).

Indeed, this is why it does'nt work, as when you repack the file into an .iso the file format is now wrong and the nav computer will not recognize it as an update disc.

see above for the correct proceedure.

Not used magiciso, but I would imagine it does the same sort of thing.

hope this helps

Excellent! Thank you. I got it working. Thank you so much!

Is possible enable, by navcode, the SES (voice control) in the ULF bluetooth interface?
Thank's

Yes, use NavCoder v2.2.1

Hello
please give me you email by paypal, i transfert 20 euro for you beautiful programmm...

n.b
pm message not possible, you space is full....

Hi, I have just deleted some messages.
My email address is in the Help Registration screen, and in the Readme.txt file of NavCoder 2.2.1

Thank you!

Closing this thread - refer to http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...available.html for V2.2.