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KiwiJochen 12-04-2007 02:34 PM

NavCoder v2.3.0 Released
 
v2.3.0 5 December 2007
Added LCM Coding
Added CDCD (CD changer, DIN) to the list of scanned audio devices
Added some more telephone message decoding
Fixed bug where leading zeros on the bluetooth passkey were not displayed
Fixed bug where progress log was not cleared at the end of telephone coding
Fixed bug where reading identity would fail if any version/index number was >9.9
Fixed bug where the filter was incorrectly filtering some diagnostic messages (00 & 01)
Fixed bug where diagnostic command Read AIS was displayed as Read identity

Get it here:
NavCoder v2.3.0

Hauer 12-04-2007 02:48 PM

Jochen!

Don't stop!!!:thumbup:

Tom-X3 12-04-2007 03:51 PM

Nice, but what is "LCM" ???

Thomas

Tom-X3 12-04-2007 03:58 PM

I have download this new version, so LCM is "Light Control Module".

I dont understand what i can change, can you explain please ?

Thanks

KiwiJochen 12-05-2007 07:23 AM

Look at the Light Control Module dialog, the description is very clear.

villemus 12-05-2007 08:20 AM

nav coder is just becoming better and better.

definatelly worth the money...

what else are you planning on the nav coder Jo?

RichardP1 12-05-2007 10:02 AM

Jochen,

Is there any wany to disable the front side light bulb warning if you replace the bulbs with LED versions?

KiwiJochen 12-05-2007 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villemus
nav coder is just becoming better and better.

definatelly worth the money...

what else are you planning on the nav coder Jo?

That's a secret - keep watching :-)

KiwiJochen 12-05-2007 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardP1
Is there any wany to disable the front side light bulb warning if you replace the bulbs with LED versions?

Do you mean the front indicator - or the 'repeater' light on the front guard between drivers door and wheel?

RichardP1 12-05-2007 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
Do you mean the front indicator - or the 'repeater' light on the front guard between drivers door and wheel?

Neither! The small bulb in the main beam reflector. The ones that come on when the light switch is in the first position after 'off'.

KiwiJochen 12-05-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardP1
Neither! The small bulb in the main beam reflector. The ones that come on when the light switch is in the first position after 'off'.

Ahh... the park light. I will research further...

X5 Meister 12-05-2007 06:19 PM

When I try to install the program on a laptop with vista, I get an error that says:
"The module "mscomm32.ocx" was loaded but the call to DllRegisterServer failed with error code 0x8002801c."

Any idea how to resolve this issue?

RichardP1 12-06-2007 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgruber
When I try to install the program on a laptop with vista, I get an error that says:
"The module "mscomm32.ocx" was loaded but the call to DllRegisterServer failed with error code 0x8002801c."

Any idea how to resolve this issue?

You've probably got UAC (User Access Control) on.

Under Vista you can only register a DLL or OCX control when running as administrator, but even if you are an administrator you run as a user unless specifically promoted to an administrator.

Registering controls under Vista is a pain! What you have to do is this :
  • Find the shortcut to the command prompt (Show All Programs, Accessories).
  • Right click it and select Run as administrator.
  • Select OK or enter the administrator password in the dialog that is displayed.
  • Change directory to the folder where the DLL or OCX you want to use is (using the CD command, e.g. CD \NavCoder or some such)
  • Run the program regsvr32 followed by the name of the DLL or OCX, eg regsvr32 mscomm32.ocx

Tobmag 12-06-2007 05:56 AM

Hi Jochen.

Well I can only agree with Villemus; navcoder is getting better and better......

Regarding the LCM, would it be possible to code that one as well regarding "running daylights" ? In Sweden we must by law always have lowbeam or parking + front fog lights on also during day time. It would be sweet to get that on automaticly when starting the engine. Today my normal front lights (xenon) goes on, this was alterd by my BMW shop here in Sweden since I had the German "auto on"(lichtautomatic) function enabled before.

BR//Tobmag

X5 Meister 12-06-2007 01:47 PM

Man you guys are good. Thanks go out to RichardP1 for the Vista help! May I suggest adding it to the Readme file? Also a comprehensive instruction manual would be great for this program explaining what to enter where, what things do, etc. I am a long time BMW owner and some of the items still puzzel me.

Seedar 12-06-2007 10:25 PM

LEDs
 
If you replace them with a luxeon LED and resistor setup so the LED dissipates about 1W then on a 2003 325ci that was sufficient power for the car not to flag a problem. I guess it was about 1W in the LED and about 2W in the resistor.

cheers,
Seedar

Seedar 12-06-2007 10:35 PM

By the way - it would fantastic if you could disable the warnings for trailer lights as now days lots of trailers have LEDs and the system doesn't cope with them ! Dont know if that could also stop the indicators from flashing at twice the normal rate ?

thanks,
Seedar

KiwiJochen 12-06-2007 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgruber
Man you guys are good. Thanks go out to RichardP1 for the Vista help! May I suggest adding it to the Readme file? Also a comprehensive instruction manual would be great for this program explaining what to enter where, what things do, etc. I am a long time BMW owner and some of the items still puzzel me.

what would you rather I do:

a) write a comprehensive instruction manual

b) add more options and features to NavCoder

They both take time...

KiwiJochen 12-06-2007 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgruber
Man you guys are good. Thanks go out to RichardP1 for the Vista help! May I suggest adding it to the Readme file?

Done.

X5 Meister 12-06-2007 11:53 PM

Honestly, the program is so good already that it really warrants an equally good manual. Tack on an additional few bucks for the cost of making one and add it as a pdf file to the program's zip file. For one thing, you'll get a lot fewer questions that you are obviously spending time answering, so that alone will save you time in the long run.


Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
what would you rather I do:

a) write a comprehensive instruction manual

b) add more options and features to NavCoder

They both take time...


trapdoor 12-07-2007 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
what would you rather I do:

a) write a comprehensive instruction manual

b) add more options and features to NavCoder

They both take time...

I think most people would choose Option b :thumbup:

The majority of functions on Navcoder are pretty self-explanatory. I reckon most of the problems concern registering the libraries (I know I had an issue), but how much effort is it to

a) search the forum for answers
b) post a question here

Perhaps what would be useful instead of a manual would be to 'mouseover' the options and give a brief note as to what switching on/off that function will do etc....

KiwiJochen 12-07-2007 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trapdoor
Perhaps what would be useful instead of a manual would be to 'mouseover' the options and give a brief note as to what switching on/off that function will do etc....

Tool-Tip Text is already part of NavCoder - but you reminded me that i forgot to set them for the LCM dialog

So tooltip text is fixed and v2.3.1 uploaded just now :-)

KiwiJochen 12-07-2007 02:30 PM

v2.3.1 8 December 2007
Fixed bug where the wrong tooltip text was shown on the new LCM dialog
Fixed bug where the tab order was wrong on the new LCM dialog

Seedar 12-07-2007 04:31 PM

I agree, more features - not a manual
 
Especially more LCM options :)

rokit 12-07-2007 05:45 PM

Jochen, two questions:
 
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1) Would it be possible to add a function to change the sensitivity or delay in the "auto headlights on" function?

2) I used NavCoder (registered) to code my retrofit BT module to SES... works perfect, BUT: is there a way to change the "Passkey" or "Name" settings also?

Ronny
(PS: anyone interested in a very simple 2002 e39 sedan, SA620 --> SA644 retrofit description?)

KiwiJochen 12-07-2007 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokit
1) Would it be possible to add a function to change the sensitivity or delay in the "auto headlights on" function?

Don't know... I don't have this info, I'd have to research further...

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokit
2) I used NavCoder (registered) to code my retrofit BT module to SES... works perfect, BUT: is there a way to change the "Passkey" or "Name" settings also?

Yes there is, I never added it as I never though anyone would want to change the passkey

But I can see a reason to change the name... so I'll add this to my list of things 'to do'

JayX5 12-07-2007 10:38 PM

What are the benefits for this on my 2002 mk3 nav? Thanks!

huskvarn 12-08-2007 01:28 PM

Hi Jochen !

Great job...
+1 for the 'b' option !

Did you know the website of Alexander :
http://www.alextronic.de/bmw/project...info_ibus.html

GREAT information in this site !! May be helpful for your research !!

I'm looking for a MP3 interface that will display the ID3 / TAG on the instrument cluster, any idea ?

Cheers !

paul thomas 12-08-2007 03:18 PM

Another useful feature would be to adjust the sensitivity of the auto wipers. The dealer can do it, my latest M3 needs to have this done to make it like the last one.

rokit 12-12-2007 07:08 PM

Tagesfahrlicht...?
 
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One of the "most wanted" here in Germany is to have the dimmed (!) high beam lights on all the time as long as the overall lights are off to enhance the visibility of the car w/o having to use the normal lights with all the many many bulbs coming on with them during the day. I'm not sure how you call this but in German it is called "Tagesfahrlicht".

I found a post in a German forum describing the bits to be changed for that.

Jochen, could NavCoder do such coding (and reverse of course)?

Ronny
PS: priority wise...this one would be HOT!!!:thumbup:

Eric Le Baron 12-12-2007 10:22 PM

Anybody here who knows how to code the alarm system?
Bought the (used) 2004 X5 without alarm in Germany and installed the alarm myself.
The siren does reacts to opening doors or the hood but it looks like the ultrasone sensor doesn't work.
The rearview mirror with the clownsnose did work without any coding.
Would/should the ultrasone sensor produce i-Bus activity when the alarm is set?

KiwiJochen 12-13-2007 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Le Baron
Anybody here who knows how to code the alarm system?

You must change the GM code in the car to tell the GM that it now has the alarm fitted, otherwise the vehicle behaves as if no alarm is present.

So go to the dealer and ask them to code the "retrofit alarm" option then it should all work

Jochen

KiwiJochen 12-13-2007 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokit
"Tagesfahrlicht". - Jochen, could NavCoder do such coding (and reverse of course)?

Yes, I have many requests for Daytime Running Lights (DRL). I will try and make it my next feature...

radioamat2002 12-13-2007 04:58 AM

HI
ZKE must be coded with DWA :
http://www.bmw-scanner.com/?page=bmw..._v140&lang=eng
http://www.bmw-scanner.com/download/bmwscan140/zke.jpg

me too i would like coded my ZKE for my E39

François

Eric Le Baron 12-13-2007 05:31 AM

Wow, can that be coded via the i-Bus :yikes:

lexie 01-08-2008 03:31 PM

Hi!
Somebody knows, where Jochen?

Gazza 01-08-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul thomas
Another useful feature would be to adjust the sensitivity of the auto wipers. The dealer can do it, my latest M3 needs to have this done to make it like the last one.


I'll second that request - would be very useful :iagree:

Eric Le Baron 01-08-2008 09:56 PM

François, where did you get that program and what kind of hardware do you need to use it?
I installed an alarm but it is not coded in the ZKE.
The interior sensor does not work....

Hampstead 01-09-2008 03:34 PM

I can't get this software to instal.

This is the error message I get in Vista.

Runtime error '339'

Component 'comdlg32.ocx' or one of it's dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid.

RichardP1 01-09-2008 04:18 PM

Pretty sure Jochen put something in the readme about this, you have to register the OCA as an administrator in Vista.

Find the shortcut to a command prompt (All Programs -> Accessories) and RIGHT click. Select "Run as Administrator", the enter the administrator password or accept the action in the resulting dialog. Change directory to the folder where you installed NavCoder eg :

CD \Downloads\NavCoder

then run the command :

regsvr32 comdlg32.ocx

This should register the OCX control and allow you to run NavCoder.

Hampstead 01-10-2008 10:09 AM

COMDLG32.ocx does not exist so I changed it to MSCOMM32.OCX which exists in the directory.

I then get the following error:

The module mscomm32.ocx was loaded but the call to DllRegister failed with error code 0x8002801 c.

trapdoor 01-13-2008 06:45 AM

Anyone know where Jochen is at the mo? I need a new reg code for NavCoder due to my laptop dying last week and he isn't replying to emails....

lexie 01-13-2008 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trapdoor
Anyone know where Jochen is at the mo? I need a new reg code for NavCoder due to my laptop dying last week and he isn't replying to emails....

I have sent the check on January, 2nd, 2008 and have not received while a code of activation...

ccfj1 01-14-2008 05:33 AM

He is moving his family back from New Zealand to Europe (Switzerland) so he may be out of contact for a while, well until his broadband gets sorted out, please be patient, he will reply.

lexie 01-14-2008 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccfj1
He is moving his family back from New Zealand to Europe (Switzerland) so he may be out of contact for a while, well until his broadband gets sorted out, please be patient, he will reply.

Thanks!

flamex10 01-16-2008 01:50 PM

Also I have sent 20euro and still no code...
Unfortunately it serves me urgent...
Is there a way immediately to have the code?

KiwiJochen 01-16-2008 05:30 PM

I have just emailled you the code

Jochen

AirWreck 01-16-2008 11:45 PM

Is NavCoder what I need to change the American English voice to a GB voice? I want the English accented voice!

KiwiJochen 01-17-2008 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirWreck
Is NavCoder what I need to change the American English voice to a GB voice? I want the English accented voice!

With NavCoder you can change the region from USA to Europe

You will get
Language of your choice
No more Acceot screen
More options for some Euro features
British Miles (plus kms)

But you loose the Emergency feature

Jochen

flamex10 01-17-2008 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
I have just emailled you the code

Jochen

Great KiwiJochen!!!
Thanks!!!

ZeroG 01-25-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
With NavCoder you can change the region from USA to Europe

You will get
Language of your choice
No more Acceot screen
More options for some Euro features
British Miles (plus kms)

But you loose the Emergency feature

Jochen

Just a quick question is there a difference between a British Miles and the American Mile?

From what I can tell there isn't, but I changed my region to Euro to get rid of the "Accpet" screen and my average MPG now reads high, and yes I reset it when I get gas.

Eric Le Baron 01-25-2008 07:08 PM

I know a nautical mile is 1852 meters and a statute mile 1609 meters.

ZeroG 01-25-2008 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Le Baron
I know a nautical mile is 1852 meters and a statute mile 1609 meters.

Yeah.. I got that from Wikipedia, but in order for it to be the root cause of my issue the British mile would need to be smaller than the US one. Does anyone know if there is a way to change the multiplication factor that is used to calculate the MPG? I know that with E36 OBCs there was a special menu you could go in to.

Brian-bmw 01-25-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroG
My average MPG now reads high, and yes I reset it when I get gas.

The problem is imperial gallons versus US gallons. This has happened to a few folks when they did an OS downgrade/upgrade. I had it happen to me a while ago, and I noticed that my OBC was showing gas mileage that was about 4 MPG higher than normal.

Try this... pull the fuses for the Instrument Cluster for about 2 minutes. Afterward, my OBC mileage dropped by 4 MPG to what I was used to seeing. It was an instantaneous drop, as if it immediately recalculated the numbers. The E38 fuses are 18, 23, 26, and 41, all 5A fuses under the hood. I am not sure what the comperable X5 fuses are.

Eric Le Baron 01-26-2008 05:57 AM

Yes, it's test 20 and it says KVBR with a value of 1000.
To get this test 20 and some others you have to enter the unlock code which is the sum of the numbers in test 1: FGSTNR LV12345
In this emample the code would be 15.
How to calculate the KVBR?
I've seen the formula some years ago for an E36 so it should be somewhere on the web....

Just found this 1 for an E34: new_correction_factor = old_correction_factor * actual_mpg / obc_mpg

ZeroG 01-26-2008 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian-bmw
The problem is imperial gallons versus US gallons. This has happened to a few folks when they did an OS downgrade/upgrade. I had it happen to me a while ago, and I noticed that my OBC was showing gas mileage that was about 4 MPG higher than normal.

Try this... pull the fuses for the Instrument Cluster for about 2 minutes. Afterward, my OBC mileage dropped by 4 MPG to what I was used to seeing. It was an instantaneous drop, as if it immediately recalculated the numbers. The E38 fuses are 18, 23, 26, and 41, all 5A fuses under the hood. I am not sure what the comperable X5 fuses are.

WOW! That makes even better since than the mileage difference. I pulled the fuses this morning, and drove the car around the city most of the day. It now reads about 20.3 which is more along the lines of the actual mileage..

Thanks for the info....

Edit: OK, confirmed that resolved the issue. I never thought I would be happy to see sub 20 MPG.

Weebyx 02-07-2008 10:22 AM

Where is Jochen ?
 
Hi, i have been trying to get a hold of him using private messages and email to navcoder address, and his private emails.

Has anyone heard from him in the past week ?

Thank you

Jaycee 02-07-2008 03:06 PM

I guess he must be busy, his various posts from different locations around the world suggest he's an active guy. I PM'd him a few days ago with a question about NavCoder, he'll probably reply when he has the time.

KiwiJochen 02-09-2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weebyx
Hi, i have been trying to get a hold of him using private messages and email to navcoder address, and his private emails.

Has anyone heard from him in the past week ?

Thank you

I was in the Swiss alps skiing - and not thinking about BMWs at all - but only for a week :-(

I am back now

Jaycee 02-09-2008 05:33 PM

:cheer: :cheer: :dance:

mmdpkaaa 02-10-2008 04:11 PM

i have an e46 M3 convertible (2001) and have just retrofitted LED lights to it. the dash warning came on and my local dealer says i need a new LCM. my build date is 09/2001 and i was told i will not need a LCM but just a reflash of the existing one. Will this software be abke to cure the problem for me?

330l0ver 02-11-2008 06:37 PM

Hi Jochen, is there any way you can make this wonderful invetion program the autofold mirrors to fold on lock and open on unlock.

Jaycee 02-12-2008 08:09 PM

OK, I'm no stranger to new technologies but I had a play with NavCoder for the first time last night, and as Kylie would say - "WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW!" :woot: :woot:

The fact that I can plug a laptop into my car and probe around and change things without even getting my hands dirty is awesome. TV on the move - √ check, which begs the question why people pay over £50 buying those ugly interface leads (which look like a snake digesting a rat) when all you need is NavCoder (and Rolf's interface unit) and a tick in a box - brilliant!

There are a couple of things I'd like experienced NavCoder users to advise me on :

On the Code Navigation screen there are certain functions that require the OS disc for changes to take effect, the pop-up states - "The OS will be upgraded if the disc is newer than the version in the nav." Can someone please expand on this a little please; is the nav unit's boot mode changed or the OS disc? I have v30 on disc which I installed a few weeks ago. My MKIV unit came from a German X3 so I just wanted to switch the language coding order from DE, GB & FR to GB, FR & GB on the screen's "Set" menu, and also sample some of the different voice options.

Secondly, on the Code Telephone screen there is a "Read BT" option, when I clicked on this the following came up adjacent the Identification title: "Part Number 6 919 779 HW13 SW1 Mfd December 1999." There were no details in the "Name" and "Passkey" boxes. I'm not aware that I have Bluetooth so I visited the online parts catalogue to check the above part number and it's actually the interface unit. Am I therefore right in assuming that I don't have Bluetooth?. Moving further down the Code Telephone screen I clicked on "Enable voice recognition" to see what happened and it accepted it when I clicked on "Code SES", even though I haven't got a voice input unit fitted, why is this?

On the whole, a fantastic bit of kit, so thanks to Jochen and Rolf for giving me the ability to delve into my car's inner workings. :thumbup: :thumbup:

KiwiJochen 02-13-2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
OK, I'm no stranger to new technologies but I had a play with NavCoder for the first time last night, and as Kylie would say - "WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW!" :woot: :woot:

Thank you, my friend (from Jochen, NavCoder author)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
On the Code Navigation screen there are certain functions that require the OS disc for changes to take effect, the pop-up states - "The OS will be upgraded if the disc is newer than the version in the nav." Can someone please expand on this a little please; is the nav unit's boot mode changed or the OS disc?


When you send some requests - like load a new language - the nav system is instructed to perform a 'compulsory' software update (re-flash).
The nav then looks at the OS disc, and checks if the OS disc SW is different (newer or older) than the currently installed software.
If different, the nav will load the new OS (re-flash).
If the same version, there is no need to reload the OS. But you must have the disc none the less.

Also, when loading new voices, the nav will do the same thing: load the 3 voice files (or 2 on a Mk3) if they have changed.
Eg: if you have GB, DE and IT, and you want to change to ES, DE and GB, the nav will only load the new ES language, and will change the order of the other 2 languages.

The languages and the OS are all on the OS disc, therefore you need to have the OS disc to load a new language and new OS version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
I have v30 on disc which I installed a few weeks ago. My MKIV unit came from a German X3 so I just wanted to switch the language coding order from DE, GB & FR to GB, FR & GB on the screen's "Set" menu, and also sample some of the different voice options.

This is easy. Select the desired languages in the order of your preference using NavCoder. Insert the V30 disc when instructed. No new OS will be loaded, as the OS version has not changed. The language files will be loaded (if required) and ordered according to your choice.

To sample some languages, I recommend loading Russian. It is very KGB :-)
The menu stays in English but the car speaks to you in Russian like this:
В 100 м повернуть направо

<grin> <оскал>

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
Secondly, on the Code Telephone screen there is a "Read BT" option, when I clicked on this the following came up adjacent the Identification title: "Part Number 6 919 779 HW13 SW1 Mfd December 1999." There were no details in the "Name" and "Passkey" boxes. I'm not aware that I have Bluetooth so I visited the online parts catalogue to check the above part number and it's actually the interface unit. Am I therefore right in assuming that I don't have Bluetooth?.

The interface is the ULF (universal charging and handsfree interface)

I don't have a list of what units have Bluetooth built in and what don't.
There are loads of different options....
If you do have original BT, you will have a BT pairing button on the phone cradle.
If the BT was retro-fitted, and no pairing button was fitted, then you need to check the actual unit - maybe it has BT written on it.

However, if you cannot read a module name or a passkey number, then it is safe to assume that the ULF is NOT a bluetooth unit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
Moving further down the Code Telephone screen I clicked on "Enable voice recognition" to see what happened and it accepted it when I clicked on "Code SES", even though I haven't got a voice input unit fitted, why is this?

NavCoder does not change the available options based on what version unit you have. The reason is really simple: I don't have a list of part numbers of what telephone adapter does what.
World-wide there are probably about 100 different part numbers that resppond to the TEL device address, the task is simply too hard to adapt the NavCoder dialog according to part number of the ULF....

You should change the setting back to the standard setting, because otherwise you have changed a bit in the memory, and I cannot say what this will mean to the device...maybe nothing, maybe something....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
On the whole, a fantastic bit of kit, so thanks to Jochen and Rolf for giving me the ability to delve into my car's inner workings. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Thanks mate :-)

Connect NavCoder and watch your car talking, you will be amazed at what it says to itself... its fun!

Jaycee 02-13-2008 04:02 PM

Thanks Jochen, all points noted and understood. The telephone is the old Motorola V50 and there is no pairing button on the cradle, so I obviously don't have BT. I'll change the SES settings back to standard to avoid a possible problems.

I noted the point in the readme file (and has been mentioned many times on here) about the X5's "Show arrival time" function, and as my X5 was built before 09/03 I checked the box, but when I did so the nav unit no longer fed distance and arrival time info to the on-board computer when I entered a new destination, so I went back and removed the check mark from the box and all was OK again. The blindingly obvious fact I'd missed here is that, although my car was built before 09/03, I've upgraded the original MKIII nav unit to a July 2004 MKIV version which came from a German X3, so the X5 "Show arrival time" characteristic wasn't applicable.

Jochen - a small point about the log file, if I open the log file from the "Tools" dropdown menu it gives me the log file from only the very first time I used the program. If I wish to view a complete log of everything from the first to the last use then I have to manually navigate to the NavCoder folder and open the NavCoder.log file. Am I doing something wrong here?

Another point about the "Code navigation" screen, when I use the "Query VIN" button it always returns the following : "Error when requesting VIN from the LKM: No response from device (timeout)" Am I trying something that isn't possible due to my system's configuration or age?

Now I've enabled TV in motion I think my next task will be to fit a hybrid digital/analogue TV module, there should then be less distortion as one drives along. I'll also be looking to fit a voice recognition unit as they look fairly useful.

With regard to watching the car talking to itself, it is absolutely amazing to watch how much data is moving around the system.

I think I'll have to try and source one of the 3-pin connectors that the I-Bus/Gnd/12v cables use and graft in a flylead as it's a bit annoying having to remove the CD player everytime.

KiwiJochen 02-14-2008 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
Thanks Jochen, all points noted and understood. The telephone is the old Motorola V50 and there is no pairing button on the cradle, so I obviously don't have BT. I'll change the SES settings back to standard to avoid a possible problems.

Yep, thoses Motorola phones were made in the dark ages before BT existed :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaycee
I noted the point in the readme file (and has been mentioned many times on here) about the X5's "Show arrival time" function, and as my X5 was built before 09/03 I checked the box, but when I did so the nav unit no longer fed distance and arrival time info to the on-board computer when I entered a new destination, so I went back and removed the check mark from the box and all was OK again.

You did the right thing. One or the other makes it work.

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
The blindingly obvious fact I'd missed here is that, although my car was built before 09/03, I've upgraded the original MKIII nav unit to a July 2004 MKIV version which came from a German X3, so the X5 "Show arrival time" characteristic wasn't applicable.

Ah, the blindingly obvious is always hard to see :D

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
Jochen - a small point about the log file, if I open the log file from the "Tools" dropdown menu it gives me the log file from only the very first time I used the program. If I wish to view a complete log of everything from the first to the last use then I have to manually navigate to the NavCoder folder and open the NavCoder.log file. Am I doing something wrong here?

Nope. That's Windows for you. NavCoder is writing to the file all the time, but Windows caches the file writes, and dumps them to the drive occasionally.
So the only time you can guarrantee to view the entire contents is when you stop NavCoder, then open the log file.
It's a Windows thing, I cannot change it.

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
Another point about the "Code navigation" screen, when I use the "Query VIN" button it always returns the following : "Error when requesting VIN from the LKM: No response from device (timeout)" Am I trying something that isn't possible due to my system's configuration or age?

Hmmm... I do have a small coms bug that I am trying to find that occassionally results in the inability to interpret the replies to a query.
To improve the ability to read the data, turn the radio off. This reduces the ibus traffic enormously, and makes it easier for NavCoder to read the data.

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
Now I've enabled TV in motion I think my next task will be to fit a hybrid digital/analogue TV module, there should then be less distortion as one drives along. I'll also be looking to fit a voice recognition unit as they look fairly useful.

The hybrid is good - as long as you live in a country where DVB-T MPEG2 is broadcast. That means the hybrid tuner does not work in NZ or the USA/Canada.

Also, I recommend fitting a reverse camera (easy) and then a DVD player, or hard-drive video player.
I used my Video iPod to play DVDs in the car, and the picture quality was stunning. I compressed a movie down to only 500MB, by optimizing it for the size of the BMW screen. It was really cool.

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
With regard to watching the car talking to itself, it is absolutely amazing to watch how much data is moving around the system.

Yeah, fun isn't it :-)

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
I think I'll have to try and source one of the 3-pin connectors that the I-Bus/Gnd/12v cables use and graft in a flylead as it's a bit annoying having to remove the CD player everytime.

Tip: these plugs use the same pin size and spacing as computer main board plugs, so they are really easy and cheap to find in computer shops.

Enjoy!

ccfj1 02-14-2008 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
Tip: these plugs use the same pin size and spacing as computer main board plugs, so they are really easy and cheap to find in computer shops.

Or you could get the pukka jobs from BMW, I've just ordered the connector plugs and pins, I'll make up a Y peice so the cd can be plugged in all the time and have an I-bus feed all the time too, the whole thing will less than a tener.

BMW 3pin plugs and sockets.
BMW p/n 61.13.8.377.072 Male Plug, (Same as CD ibus plug - I'll need two of these) approx £0.56
BMW p/n 61.13.0.006.663 Female Term, (3 of these go into each of the plugs above - I got 6 of these) approx £0.64 each

BMW p/n 61.13.6.931.929 Female plug, (connector to accept CD ibus plug from CD loom) approx £0.70 each
BMW p/n 61.13.0.006.664 Male Term, (3 of these go into each of the plugs above - I got 3 of these) approx £0.64

I not sure if I need all the pin connectors as I'm pretty sure the pins have the wire connected and have a pin at each end (the audi ones did), so that should half the amount needed.

HTH

Jaycee 02-14-2008 07:57 AM

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Hmmm... I do have a small comms bug that I am trying to find that occassionally results in the inability to interpret the replies to a query. To improve the ability to read the data, turn the radio off. This reduces the ibus traffic enormously, and makes it easier for NavCoder to read the data.
Thanks Jochen, I'll do that.

ccfj1 - That looks like a good option, I've drawn it out on paper so let me see if I have it correct :

Parts -

1) 61.13.8.377.072 - Male Plug x2 - same as CD I-bus plug.
2) 61.13.0.006.663 - Female termination x6 - 3 in each of item 1.
3) 61.13.6.931.929 - Female plug x1 - to accept CD I-bus plug from CD loom.
4) 61.13.0.006.664 - Male termination x3 - fit into item 3.

Procedure -

A) The existing I-bus loom (male plug & female terminations) will be disconnected from the CD player and connected to the item created by parts 3 & 4 above.
B) A loom of 3 wires will then go from 3 & 4 to one of the plugs (male plug & female terminations) created by parts 1 & 2.
C) A 'flylead' will be created by having a second loom of 3 wires going into the same male plug (1 & 2) as in B above. This plug (with 6 wires coming from it) will then plug into the CD player.
D) The flylead created in C above will be terminated in the remaining plug (1 & 2) which will then be used to plug into the I-bus interface.

Please let me know how the parts arrive, i.e. with wires attached to the terminations or not, and how the set up looks. I've found a large white connector in the area around the CD player and Nav unit from which the I-bus looms to those 2 units originate, so I can always tap into that as an alternative.

ccfj1 02-14-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
Thanks Jochen, I'll do that.

ccfj1 - That looks like a good option, I've drawn it out on paper so let me see if I have it correct :

Parts -

1) 61.13.8.377.072 - Male Plug x2 - same as CD I-bus plug.
2) 61.13.0.006.663 - Female termination x6 - 3 in each of item 1.
3) 61.13.6.931.929 - Female plug x1 - to accept CD I-bus plug from CD loom.
4) 61.13.0.006.664 - Male termination x3 - fit into item 3.

Procedure -

A) The existing I-bus loom (male plug & female terminations) will be disconnected from the CD player and connected to the item created by parts 3 & 4 above.
B) A loom of 3 wires will then go from 3 & 4 to one of the plugs (male plug & female terminations) created by parts 1 & 2.
C) A 'flylead' will be created by having a second loom of 3 wires going into the same male plug (1 & 2) as in B above. This plug (with 6 wires coming from it) will then plug into the CD player.
D) The flylead created in C above will be terminated in the remaining plug (1 & 2) which will then be used to plug into the I-bus interface.

Sounds correct, D will need to be soldered to the lead made by B/C.


---------------|-------New "Y" flylead---------|------OEM Lead
CD Changer-F-][-M-==================-F-][-M-CD (i-bus) lead===> car
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------//
---------------------------//
------------=I-Bus-M-][==::

Something like this

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Please let me know how the parts arrive, i.e. with wires attached to the terminations or not, and how the set up looks. I've found a large white connector in the area around the CD player and Nav unit from which the I-bus looms to those 2 units originate, so I can always tap into that as an alternative.
I should get them sat morning, I'll post up an update and some pics, I'll also confirm if I need all the pins etc.

paul thomas 02-14-2008 04:40 PM

This is how i connected mine, I posted part details on the intravee forum, I'm not sure if you are using the same parts. The pins & sockets come with the wires connected, you just put them in to the plastic housing and snap it shut. I soldered the bare ends of the wires together, and then taped them.

Jaycee 02-15-2008 01:47 PM

Guys - I have a bit of a problem.

I went out today with the OS disc to carry out the language order changes as I mentioned above, and it was very straightforward, the system loaded the appropriate languges from the disc and booted back up, I've selected GB, USA, DE.

Later on I tried the "Query VIN" function again, and switched the radio off as suggested by Jochen to cut down on I-bus traffic. Whilst it was doing this the car's screen changed to a very lo-res white one with the immobiliser code input request displayed. I entered all zeros and hit "deactivate" and the alarm went off!! :yikes: Having silenced the alarm with the key, the screen only returned to its normal state when I switched the radio back on.

Now, every time I turn the key in the ignition it goes to the code input screen, and regardless of what code I enter, (0000 or 0001) when I hit the "Deactivate" button the alarm goes off and I can't start it.

Help !!! :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :bawling:

UPDATE :

Problem solved! :dance:

It would seem that for some reason my Navcoder is generating random events, which included generating a random immobilser code. I looked back through my logfile (thank God for this facility!) and noted the following, ignore the times as my laptop isn't updated yet :

15/02/2008 03:03:57: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:03:57: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:03:57: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 34 37 32 44
15/02/2008 03:03:57: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2472", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:03:58: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:03:58: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:03:58: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 34 34 36 43
15/02/2008 03:03:58: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2446", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:03:58: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:03:58: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:03:58: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 31 36 41
15/02/2008 03:03:58: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2316", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:03:59: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:03:59: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:03:59: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 36 38 48
15/02/2008 03:03:59: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2368", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:03:59: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:03:59: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:03:59: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 35 39 4A
15/02/2008 03:03:59: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2359", Background_update

So I looked further down the logfile and noted :

15/02/2008 03:04:58: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:04:58: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:04:58: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 34 34 46
15/02/2008 03:04:58: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2344", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:04:59: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:04:59: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:04:59: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 34 30 33 42
15/02/2008 03:04:59: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2403", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:04:59: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:04:59: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:04:59: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 31 36 41
15/02/2008 03:04:59: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2316", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:05:00: 68 1B 7F A8 30 88 41 F4 8F 21 30 08 01 F4 8F 21 30 88 49 F4 8F 2F 30 08 01 F4 C1 5E 93
15/02/2008 03:05:00: RAD --> NAVE: TMC data: "30 88 41 F4 8F 21 30 08 01 F4 8F 21 30 88 49 F4 8F 2F 30 08 01 F4 C1 5E"
15/02/2008 03:05:00: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:05:00: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:05:00: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 34 30 42
15/02/2008 03:05:00: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2340", Background_update
15/02/2008 03:05:01: 80 0A BF 17 3F C7 01 80 1E 32 CC BB
15/02/2008 03:05:01: ASP --> GLO : Odometer: 116,543 kms
15/02/2008 03:05:01: 3F 04 7F 40 0D 09
15/02/2008 03:05:01: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="0D"
15/02/2008 03:05:01: 80 09 E7 24 0D 00 32 33 35 32 41
15/02/2008 03:05:01: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Code "2352", Background_update

So I thought logically as all computers do, and inputted the last Code value in the file (2352) and the immobilser/alarm deactivated. Much relief all round!

There are also other items that mysteriously change while NavCoder is running :

15/02/2008 03:03:26: 3F 04 7F 40 01 05
15/02/2008 03:03:26: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="01"
15/02/2008 03:03:26: 80 0C E7 24 01 00 20 35 3A 35 33 20 20 67
15/02/2008 03:03:26: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Time " 5:53 ", Background_update

....and the car's time display is changed to 5:53

15/02/2008 03:03:29: 3F 04 7F 40 02 06
15/02/2008 03:03:30: DIA --> NAVE: Read adjustment value, Data="02"
15/02/2008 03:03:30: 80 0F E7 24 02 00 30 36 2E 35 34 2E 32 30 35 32 4C
15/02/2008 03:03:30: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Date "06.54.2052", Background_update

....and the date is changed.

15/02/2008 03:05:35: 80 0D E7 24 09 00 31 30 36 20 4D 50 48 20 25
15/02/2008 03:05:35: ASP --> ANZV: Text display update: Limit "106 MPH ", Background_update

....and the speed limit warning is switched on at 106 mph.

There are many others in the file as well, the above parameters (immobiliser code, time, date, limit, and also range, timer1, timer2, etc) were all changed several times. I did notice that there seemed to be a common element every time things changed, and that is the 2 lines of code which precede such changes, with "Read adjustment value" in the second line.

Jochen - any ideas why this is happening?

KiwiJochen 02-15-2008 03:47 PM

Disconnect battery for 10 min then follow the instructions
 
Your problem is caused by a strange ibus message clash - it has happened to other people, and only once to me!

Perform the emergency bypass for the system when the code is not known:
Disconnect battery
Wait 10 min
Reconnect battery
Follow onscreen instructions

I wish I knew what causes this :-(

Jochen

ccfj1 02-16-2008 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccfj1
Sounds correct, D will need to be soldered to the lead made by B/C.


---------------|-------New "Y" flylead---------|------OEM Lead
CD Changer-F-][-M-==================-F-][-M-CD (i-bus) lead===> car
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------||
----------------------------//
---------------------------//
------------=I-Bus-M-][==::

Something like this


I should get them sat morning, I'll post up an update and some pics, I'll also confirm if I need all the pins etc.

As promised, here are a few pics

Invoice, I ordered more than I need as I'm making up a BT loom, but the prices are shown as per unit.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008047.jpg

Unfortunatly the pins are only at one end (unlike the audi parts, that have the at both ends)

Male pins
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008046.jpg

Felmale pins
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008044.jpg

Female plugs
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008045.jpg

Male plugs
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008043.jpg

Mock up of a made up lead.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...6022008049.jpg

HTH

Jaycee 02-16-2008 07:31 AM

Thanks H, very useful. :thumbup:

Looking at the mock up of the finished item, the wires look a little short for my use as a flylead, have you shortened them to a length that suits your final requirements or is that the maximum length of the wires? In the bags they look much longer. This will give me an idea whether or not to buy an extra 3 x 663 (female pins & wires) and extend one of the leads a little further, i.e. solder the bared end of each wire into the female pin of the previous wire.

ccfj1 02-16-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaycee
Thanks H, very useful. :thumbup:

Looking at the mock up of the finished item, the wires look a little short for my use as a flylead, have you shortened them to a length that suits your final requirements

No, its just a mock up, it was just to give an idea of what it would look like.

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or is that the maximum length of the wires?
The total wire length is around 12" so it's fairly long.

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In the bags they look much longer.
They are, see above.

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This will give me an idea whether or not to buy an extra 3 x 663 (female pins & wires) and extend one of the leads a little further, i.e. solder the bared end of each wire into the female pin of the previous wire.
Looking at all the bits I got, you should have no trouble doing what you need with what comes, the wires are well long enough.

This should be all you need

2 x male plugs
1 x female plug
6x female pins (one on each wire)
3x male pins (one on each wire)

It should be a bit cheaper than mine too. :)

HTH

damci 02-16-2008 11:57 AM

@KiwiJochen : why can't i connect with Navcoder to the LCM? I tried on 3 different cars, and it always says No response from device (timeout)? Is there any specific way to connect to it?

Jaycee 02-16-2008 01:44 PM

Hi damci, in NavCoders readme file Jochen advises to increase the timeout value (in the Tools menu under Options) to 500ms or higher. Additionally he also advised me to switch off the radio to cut down on I-bus 'traffic'. I've never had a problem reading or coding the LCM.

ccfj1 - Thanks for clarifying that.

damci 02-16-2008 02:20 PM

@Jaycee: thy, i will try tomorrow with longer timeout value

damci 02-17-2008 06:58 AM

I tried with 700, 1000, 1500 and 2000 ms, and i still can't connect to LCM

RichardP1 02-17-2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by damci
I tried with 700, 1000, 1500 and 2000 ms, and i still can't connect to LCM

Did you turn the lights on?

damci 02-17-2008 08:17 AM

Yes

KiwiJochen 02-17-2008 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damci
@KiwiJochen : why can't i connect with Navcoder to the LCM? I tried on 3 different cars, and it always says No response from device (timeout)? Is there any specific way to connect to it?

What car do you have?
Some cars do not have an LCM

Jochen

damci 02-17-2008 09:22 AM

Jochen, i have a 2003 E39 525d, i tried also on 2000 523i

lexie 02-18-2008 03:53 PM

At me the same problems with communication with block LCM and some other functions, Jochen works above correction of this problem

gwc 02-18-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead
I can't get this software to instal.

This is the error message I get in Vista.

Runtime error '339'

Component 'comdlg32.ocx' or one of it's dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid.

I get similar install problems in XP.I added mscomm32.ocx to windows system registered it using cmd but its now asking for comdlg32.ocx which is'nt in the download?

KiwiJochen 02-18-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gwc
I get similar install problems in XP.I added mscomm32.ocx to windows system registered it using cmd but its now asking for comdlg32.ocx which is'nt in the download?

google for it. It is a Windows file.

gwc 02-18-2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
google for it. It is a Windows file.

Yep, that worked :-)

Sent payment off to you,thanks and keep up the good work............

damci 02-20-2008 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
What car do you have?
Some cars do not have an LCM

Jochen

Jochen any info on that problem?

Roy in GA 03-01-2008 11:18 PM

That is the "City Light".

Scuba 03-14-2008 04:00 AM

To KiwiJochen: Thanks for the NavCoder - great job and excellent idea (to simplify the work with navi and other IBus devices. I did not tested yet but it looks very user-friendly!

KiwiJochen 03-16-2008 10:56 AM

Hi all,

NavCoder v2.3.5 is now available. Please upgrade:
http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...available.html


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