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terrymcg 04-13-2008 05:52 PM

Hello, wondered if you can help..
 
Hi guys, I am new to your forum. I have just bought an E46 M3 here in the UK. But found your nav section the most informative of all the BMW forums!

My query is, the car I bought came with the 16:9 screen and TV module, But nav was never specced on the car from new. Can I simply add a MKIV nav computer to get it? In the boot the only plug I can see is a blue one going into the TV module. There is an empty white slot also on the TV module. Am I right in thinking, if I remove the blue plug from the tv mdule and plug it into the MKIV it will work fine, and I just will not be able to use the TV? I cant seem to find too much info on this as most people have nav and tV!!!

E5M1R 04-14-2008 01:46 AM

Strange order configuration there mate,
I did not think that you could get tv withouth nav
Sorry that i cant help you with your question

asot 04-14-2008 01:47 AM

Is your TV functonal?
The cable that is installed is probably useful only for your TV.
For NAVI, you 'll probably need not only the special cable (different from the TV one) but also a GPS antenna (I don't know where it is installed in an M3).
This antenna is installed on the little back spoiler, at the backend of an X5.
After installation, a programming procedure with suitable equipment should be performed from a dealer.

04SSHD 04-14-2008 01:20 PM

From what I hear you will need to install a different wire harness as the TV harness in your car doesn't support navigation. The harness runs from the screen upfront all the way to the trunk. You will need to find one that supports both Nav and TV and then you should be able to add a nav computer and GPS antenna.

KiwiJochen 04-14-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrymcg
Hi guys, I am new to your forum. I have just bought an E46 M3 here in the UK. But found your nav section the most informative of all the BMW forums!

My query is, the car I bought came with the 16:9 screen and TV module, But nav was never specced on the car from new. Can I simply add a MKIV nav computer to get it? In the boot the only plug I can see is a blue one going into the TV module. There is an empty white slot also on the TV module. Am I right in thinking, if I remove the blue plug from the tv mdule and plug it into the MKIV it will work fine, and I just will not be able to use the TV? I cant seem to find too much info on this as most people have nav and tV!!!

Yes, you can do what you want to do.

Leave the blue plug in the TV, but add the loom that connects the nav blue plug to the TV tuner white plug. Look on ebay for these, one from an E39 will do just fine.

Then you need to cable the purple plug, as this has the dead reckoning signals (speed pulse, direction indication)

And of course a GPS antenna.

Once cabled it will work, but you should get the system coded by a dealer so that the car properly knows that it has navigation fitted.

terrymcg 04-14-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiwiJochen
Yes, you can do what you want to do.

Leave the blue plug in the TV, but add the loom that connects the nav blue plug to the TV tuner white plug. Look on ebay for these, one from an E39 will do just fine.

Then you need to cable the purple plug, as this has the dead reckoning signals (speed pulse, direction indication)

And of course a GPS antenna.

Once cabled it will work, but you should get the system coded by a dealer so that the car properly knows that it has navigation fitted.

Thanks very much, exactly what I was after hearing!! I don;t suppose you know the part number for the loom from the E39?

Terry

KiwiJochen 04-15-2008 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrymcg
Thanks very much, exactly what I was after hearing!! I don;t suppose you know the part number for the loom from the E39?

Terry

Don't know the part number, but here it is on ebay for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Kabelbaum-Navi-fu...QQcmdZViewItem

This plugs into nav (purple + blue) and into video module (white)

The longer black & white plugs then need to be joined to power+ground+speed pulse, all available at the radio module behind the video module

You then only need to run one wire to the reverse light wire on the right hand wheel arch to pick up the reverse signal.

terrymcg 04-15-2008 05:42 AM

What is the reverse signal for?

TheM@x 04-15-2008 01:28 PM

Rear camera?

KiwiJochen 04-15-2008 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrymcg
What is the reverse signal for?

In dead-deckoning mode, and to verify the GPS signal, the nav uses the inbuilt gyro compass, and the external wheel pulses to update the current position.

Wheel pulses however do not indicate if the vehicle is moving forwards or backwards, they only indicate speed.

So the nav requires the reverse gear signal to determine if the car is moving forwards or backwards.

Vital for correct position calculation under condiitons of bad GPS signals, eg: in car parking buildings, tunnels, densly built up areas, or even days of heavy rain and dense fog when the GPS signal gets weak (like I had last Friday - my GPS strugggled and calculated huge position and speed errors, at times I was doing 250kmph - because my GPS had no dead reckoning capability, therefore could only use GPS signals, which sometimes have large errors)


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